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    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #166
    Re: My NLG Review is up.

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    Michael_Mullis said:
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    Pared said:
    Also (side note), preloading throws in general SUCKS when it comes to gameplay b/c you don't have the option to cancel a throw. Until some game puts that in, the method hurts ASB's gameplay more than anything...

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    Well, MVP also has preloading throws that you can't cancel. Would you say the same thing about it? The idea of preloading throws is that you are absolutely sure where you are going to throw.

    And that's not entirely true because you have the ability to hit your cut-off man. In ASB once you make the future throw from the outfield you hold the cut-off man button and he will catch it. In MVP, it's the right trigger I believe. So you can cut off a preloaded throw and redirect it from the outfield.

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    Yes, I DO say the same about it in MVP.

    You can do that same cut off thing in MVP.... but once you commit to a throw, you should be able to tap a Trigger button (any should work, really) that cancels it. What do you do if you preload a relay throw to third, and as soon as he gets the ball, you see the runner break back to second? Wouldn't you want to be able to hold the throw, then go to second? Happens all the time in baseball....

    And for clarification, I never meant your site. Again, I've never heard of it. By THIS SITE, I meant OS, the one we are posting on right now.
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    • Pared
      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #167
      Re: My NLG Review is up.

      Ed, read above.

      Again, it can work for the infield as well... What if you dive and try to go to second, then realize you won't get the close play. Wouldn't you want to be able to go first? Why penalize the user for indecisiveness? It happens all the time on the field, and can usually result in a hit.

      Imagine playing against a CPU Jeter who pumps to stop the runner on 3rd going home, then looks like he's going to first, but holds back the throw and goes back to third to get the runner who broke home (b/c they thought Jeter was going to first, then realized and tried to get back to third)? You'd drop your jaw in awe of the realism....
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        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #168
        Re: My NLG Review is up.

        Ed, read above.

        Again, it can work for the infield as well... What if you dive and try to go to second, then realize you won't get the close play. Wouldn't you want to be able to go first? Why penalize the user for indecisiveness? It happens all the time on the field, and can usually result in a hit.

        Imagine playing against a CPU Jeter who pumps to stop the runner on 3rd going home, then looks like he's going to first, but holds back the throw and goes back to third to get the runner who broke home (b/c they thought Jeter was going to first, then realized and tried to get back to third)? You'd drop your jaw in awe of the realism....
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          • Feb 2003
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          #169
          Re: My NLG Review is up.

          Ed, read above.

          Again, it can work for the infield as well... What if you dive and try to go to second, then realize you won't get the close play. Wouldn't you want to be able to go first? Why penalize the user for indecisiveness? It happens all the time on the field, and can usually result in a hit.

          Imagine playing against a CPU Jeter who pumps to stop the runner on 3rd going home, then looks like he's going to first, but holds back the throw and goes back to third to get the runner who broke home (b/c they thought Jeter was going to first, then realized and tried to get back to third)? You'd drop your jaw in awe of the realism....
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          • Ed_Farias
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1222

            #170
            Re: My NLG Review is up.

            Oohh, good point on the cutoff throw pared. For some reason I was not thinking about that, and it makes perfect sense. However, I think you can hit another base button before the animation starts and change your mind. But again, it would be cool to have the cancel button with a "pump throw" animation, then throw to the other base or something

            All valid points

            Once the wish list goes up for 06, I think you should mention this. But use the same detail you did above, rather than just saying preloading sucks

            Comment

            • Ed_Farias
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 1222

              #171
              Re: My NLG Review is up.

              Oohh, good point on the cutoff throw pared. For some reason I was not thinking about that, and it makes perfect sense. However, I think you can hit another base button before the animation starts and change your mind. But again, it would be cool to have the cancel button with a "pump throw" animation, then throw to the other base or something

              All valid points

              Once the wish list goes up for 06, I think you should mention this. But use the same detail you did above, rather than just saying preloading sucks

              Comment

              • Ed_Farias
                MVP
                • Mar 2003
                • 1222

                #172
                Re: My NLG Review is up.

                Oohh, good point on the cutoff throw pared. For some reason I was not thinking about that, and it makes perfect sense. However, I think you can hit another base button before the animation starts and change your mind. But again, it would be cool to have the cancel button with a "pump throw" animation, then throw to the other base or something

                All valid points

                Once the wish list goes up for 06, I think you should mention this. But use the same detail you did above, rather than just saying preloading sucks

                Comment

                • Michael_Mullis
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 97

                  #173
                  Re: My NLG Review is up.

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  Pared said:
                  You can do that same cut off thing in MVP.... but once you commit to a throw, you should be able to tap a Trigger button (any should work, really) that cancels it. What do you do if you preload a relay throw to third, and as soon as he gets the ball, you see the runner break back to second? Wouldn't you want to be able to hold the throw, then go to second? Happens all the time in baseball....

                  And for clarification, I never meant your site. Again, I've never heard of it. By THIS SITE, I meant OS, the one we are posting on right now.

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  Ok, thanks for clearing that up then. It's all in where you make your statements.

                  Well, but the scenerio you just brought up is why you have a cut-off man. I've played a little baseball in HS and college and it's the cut-off man's responsibility to be on the look out for that stuff. If the runner breaks back, the cut-off man has to make a concerted effort to interrupt the ball and try to make the play. If the relay man commits to third then that's where the ball is headed. Be thankful the runner didn't stretch out to a triple. Chances are if the runner on second came that far towards third and had to double back the third baseman would also have the play.

                  The other option is simply not to pre-load the relay throw. The runner will stop at second if he sees the cut-off man with the ball. Again, if he's THAT far towards third base, then he's going to get nailed whether you preload the throw or not. That's a baserunning error.

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                  • Michael_Mullis
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 97

                    #174
                    Re: My NLG Review is up.

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    Pared said:
                    You can do that same cut off thing in MVP.... but once you commit to a throw, you should be able to tap a Trigger button (any should work, really) that cancels it. What do you do if you preload a relay throw to third, and as soon as he gets the ball, you see the runner break back to second? Wouldn't you want to be able to hold the throw, then go to second? Happens all the time in baseball....

                    And for clarification, I never meant your site. Again, I've never heard of it. By THIS SITE, I meant OS, the one we are posting on right now.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Ok, thanks for clearing that up then. It's all in where you make your statements.

                    Well, but the scenerio you just brought up is why you have a cut-off man. I've played a little baseball in HS and college and it's the cut-off man's responsibility to be on the look out for that stuff. If the runner breaks back, the cut-off man has to make a concerted effort to interrupt the ball and try to make the play. If the relay man commits to third then that's where the ball is headed. Be thankful the runner didn't stretch out to a triple. Chances are if the runner on second came that far towards third and had to double back the third baseman would also have the play.

                    The other option is simply not to pre-load the relay throw. The runner will stop at second if he sees the cut-off man with the ball. Again, if he's THAT far towards third base, then he's going to get nailed whether you preload the throw or not. That's a baserunning error.

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                    • Michael_Mullis
                      Rookie
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 97

                      #175
                      Re: My NLG Review is up.

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Pared said:
                      You can do that same cut off thing in MVP.... but once you commit to a throw, you should be able to tap a Trigger button (any should work, really) that cancels it. What do you do if you preload a relay throw to third, and as soon as he gets the ball, you see the runner break back to second? Wouldn't you want to be able to hold the throw, then go to second? Happens all the time in baseball....

                      And for clarification, I never meant your site. Again, I've never heard of it. By THIS SITE, I meant OS, the one we are posting on right now.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Ok, thanks for clearing that up then. It's all in where you make your statements.

                      Well, but the scenerio you just brought up is why you have a cut-off man. I've played a little baseball in HS and college and it's the cut-off man's responsibility to be on the look out for that stuff. If the runner breaks back, the cut-off man has to make a concerted effort to interrupt the ball and try to make the play. If the relay man commits to third then that's where the ball is headed. Be thankful the runner didn't stretch out to a triple. Chances are if the runner on second came that far towards third and had to double back the third baseman would also have the play.

                      The other option is simply not to pre-load the relay throw. The runner will stop at second if he sees the cut-off man with the ball. Again, if he's THAT far towards third base, then he's going to get nailed whether you preload the throw or not. That's a baserunning error.

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                      • Pared
                        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 39337

                        #176
                        Re: My NLG Review is up.

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        Ed_Farias said:Once the wish list goes up for 06, I think you should mention this. But use the same detail you did above, rather than just saying preloading sucks

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Will do.
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                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #177
                          Re: My NLG Review is up.

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          Ed_Farias said:Once the wish list goes up for 06, I think you should mention this. But use the same detail you did above, rather than just saying preloading sucks

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Will do.
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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 39337

                            #178
                            Re: My NLG Review is up.

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Ed_Farias said:Once the wish list goes up for 06, I think you should mention this. But use the same detail you did above, rather than just saying preloading sucks

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Will do.
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                            • Michael_Mullis
                              Rookie
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 97

                              #179
                              Re: My NLG Review is up.

                              Let me clarify that I do agree with you on cancelling preloads in the infield. I forgot to mention that in my last post. Your Jeter analogy is a point well taken. I was thinking more of the outfield than anything else.

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                              • Michael_Mullis
                                Rookie
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 97

                                #180
                                Re: My NLG Review is up.

                                Let me clarify that I do agree with you on cancelling preloads in the infield. I forgot to mention that in my last post. Your Jeter analogy is a point well taken. I was thinking more of the outfield than anything else.

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