Player/Team Ratings are up!

[LanteriX]

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What happened to the days when things like clutch and experience were quantifiable stat categories in sports titles? Anybody remember the last game to have this...might have been an older MLB title or All Star Baseball...I think even 2k toyed around with it. Hmmmm...maybe playoff experience or something similar could be worked into the mix.

They probably took it out because clutch is not a statistic and is purely a subjective opinion.

Plus, clutch not existing might have something to do with it too. But that's for a different argument. There are players that get more opportunities to make big plays, but there's no statistical evidence pointing to elevated "clutch" play.

Experience I could see possibly being a rating somehow. But a lot of baseball intangibles are hard to quantify in a rating.

[Cabke]

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They probably took it out because clutch is not a statistic and is purely a subjective opinion.

Plus, clutch not existing might have something to do with it too. But that's for a different argument. There are players that get more opportunities to make big plays, but there's no statistical evidence pointing to elevated "clutch" play.

Could the clutch be considered for things like game winning hits or even saves? You could look at the significance of the game and the number of outs, strikes, and ball the batter or pitcher has against them and come up with an equation to determine a rating. It may be hard to do this because some people could have inflated clutch ratings, but I definitely think it's possible.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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What happened to the days when things like clutch and experience were quantifiable stat categories in sports titles? Anybody remember the last game to have this...might have been an older MLB title or All Star Baseball...I think even 2k toyed around with it. Hmmmm...maybe playoff experience or something similar could be worked into the mix.

They do have a "clutch" slider still in the game. And it effected the batter's eye, etc on certain counts, and certain instances with runners on base/scoring position, etc.

[Rbear2k]

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They probably took it out because clutch is not a statistic and is purely a subjective opinion.

Plus, clutch not existing might have something to do with it too. But that's for a different argument. There are players that get more opportunities to make big plays, but there's no statistical evidence pointing to elevated "clutch" play.

Experience I could see possibly being a rating somehow. But a lot of baseball intangibles are hard to quantify in a rating.

Yes, i read that bob costas book too. Even if there is no significant statistical proof to illustrate clutch over a player's career, there is still an argument to be made that experience, especially in the playoffs, is far more valued a stat than some of the categories that contribute to a player's overall rating. Example, A-Rod has a horrible playoff record, does that mean the game will reflect his lack of performance in the playoffs or just go by his overall rating and make him a monster come october?

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Yes, i read that bob costas book too. Even if there is no significant statistical proof to illustrate clutch over a player's career, there is still an argument to be made that experience, especially in the playoffs, is far more valued a stat than some of the categories that contribute to a player's overall rating. Example, A-Rod has a horrible playoff record, does that mean the game will reflect his lack of performance in the playoffs or just go by his overall rating and make him a monster come october?

There should be a negative 30 point curve on his ratings come playoff time!

[Rbear2k]

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There should be a negative 30 point curve on his ratings come playoff time!

LOL...

I think they should add a perks system like they do in call of duty 4. Each player could have his own special abilities like they do in NHL 08. Playoff performer, stolen base specialist, great fielder, cannon arm, OBP specialsit, power hitter, timely hitter...etc. I think this would help sort out player ratings and give a way for people to quantify the intangibles and boost stats without throwing off overall ratings.

[Double Deuce]

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LOL...

I think they should add a perks system like they do in call of duty 4. Each player could have his own special abilities like they do in NHL 08. Playoff performer, stolen base specialist, great fielder, cannon arm, OBP specialsit, power hitter, timely hitter...etc. I think this would help sort out player ratings and give a way for people to quantify the intangibles and boost stats without throwing off overall ratings.

MLB Power Pros does this and it is fantastic.

It should be in every baseball game.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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LOL...

I think they should add a perks system like they do in call of duty 4. Each player could have his own special abilities like they do in NHL 08. Playoff performer, stolen base specialist, great fielder, cannon arm, OBP specialsit, power hitter, timely hitter...etc. I think this would help sort out player ratings and give a way for people to quantify the intangibles and boost stats without throwing off overall ratings.

MLB Power Pros does this and it is fantastic.

It should be in every baseball game.

It would be SWEET if you can have an "online team" as your character, like in CoD 4. Then you perk up players on your team. So your BoSox team will have different perks and levels than someone else's, etc. Thus playing other peoples teams will all be different depending on their chosen "perks".

[Rbear2k]

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MLB Power Pros does this and it is fantastic.

It should be in every baseball game.

This would be much better than just getting some player card packs for playing. More play time = more available perks in online and in create a player mode. How sweet would that be? PLEASE CHECK THIS THREAD BEN!!

[Double Deuce]

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I wish power pros was available as an xbox live download....that would be sweeeeet.

It's not without its flaws, but it does some things VERY right.

No walks whatsoever, though. Which kind of killed it for me.

[DrJones]

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But Kush, here's my biggest question... In Franchise, are the player's overall ratings still the main factor in the trade logic? Like, can I still pull off horrible rip-off trades like trading Ray Durham for Jeff Francouer, just because they're both an 82 overall? Or does the game now factor in other things when trades are proposed (like age, current performance, a team's needs, etc.)?

This is my biggest concern about the game, and my biggest issue with last year's game. Any help would be appreciated.

This has been addressed. A player's age, salary, and potential now play a big role in establishing a player's trade value in Franchise Mode. You cannot trade Durham for Francouer straight up in 2K8, even though their overall ratings are the same. If you want to pry someone like Tulowitzki away from the Rockies, be prepared to overpay big-time.

In case anyone's wondering, I work for Blue Castle, not 2KLA. Don't bother asking me about the ratings, I had nothing to do with them.

[CMH]

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Yes, i read that bob costas book too. Even if there is no significant statistical proof to illustrate clutch over a player's career, there is still an argument to be made that experience, especially in the playoffs, is far more valued a stat than some of the categories that contribute to a player's overall rating. Example, A-Rod has a horrible playoff record, does that mean the game will reflect his lack of performance in the playoffs or just go by his overall rating and make him a monster come october?

This is exactly why clutch is so subjective.

All anyone says is that Alex Rodriguez can't hit in the playoffs. His career playoff numbers are .279/.361/.483 with 7 HR and 17 RBI in 39 games over 147 at-bats.

Are those Alex Rodriguez numbers? No. I won't say they are. But it's obvious that the numbers have gone low hard over the past two postseasons.

No where in that career statline does it suggest that he is horrible in the postseason, however.

All it proves is that there is no such difference as hitting in the playoffs vs. the regular season. You hit and that's it.

There are other example of guys that showcase this. Barry Bonds was once the guy who couldn't hit in the postseason and then he has a breakout 2002 and all of a sudden he can hit?

I always see it when people say, "This guy was great in the postseason." Then a few minutes later someone posts their postseason stats and the response is, "Damn, I remember him being better than that."

Yea, of course, you do because that's how it was portrayed.

The great immortal Derek Jeter? I love it because he is inching closer to a full season of postseason numbers. He is at 123 games now with 495 at-bats. His stats are falling right in line with his career averages.

If the guy is a superstar playoff hitter, why are all of his postseason numbers lower (exception SLG) than his career regular season averages? Simple answer. It's all a lie covered up in random great plays that the media feeds to fans to have us believe that Derek Jeter is hitting .400 in the postseason while playing infallible defense.


To round this out, I agree that there are players that perform in the clutch and Bill James has recently found evidence of this. But my personal stance is always the same. Instances are still in small sample sizes that do not reflect what a player will do over the course of a full year.

An NL Manager said it best, "Am I supposed to give the starting job to a player just because he hit .400 in Spring Training?"

Most would say yes but anyone that follows baseball should know that spring training stats are mostly a lie. It's not because of minor league pitchers pitching and getting hit hard because guys with great season numbers suffer in the spring. It's because of a small sample size that is equivalent to a star player having a bad week during the season.

If Nick Markakis played only the first 3 months in 2007 he would be a terrible player. But he plays 6 months and now look at his numbers.

[smallshot]

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These ratings seem a little Mets-biased to me but maybe that just because I'm a Yankees fan and I **** myself when I saw that Reyes (0) is rated higher than Jeter (4). I guess its just me.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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This has been addressed. A player's age, salary, and potential now play a big role in establishing a player's trade value in Franchise Mode. You cannot trade Durham for Francouer straight up in 2K8, even though their overall ratings are the same. If you want to pry someone like Tulowitzki away from the Rockies, be prepared to overpay big-time.

In case anyone's wondering, I work for Blue Castle, not 2KLA. Don't bother asking me about the ratings, I had nothing to do with them.

Great to know ... thanks!

[baa7]

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These ratings seem a little Mets-biased to me but maybe that just because I'm a Yankees fan and I **** myself when I saw that Reyes (0) is rated higher than Jeter (4). I guess its just me.

Jeter's 3 year splits: .325 AVG, 45 HR's 240 RBI, .398 OBP.
Reyes' 3 year splits: 284 AVG, 38 HR's 196 RBI, .336 OBP.

It is total bullcrap that the Kush Games' ratings guys supposedly look at players' 3 year averages. What they do, is they check out who their cover boy is and then give him the highest ratings in the game. And most every player on both the big East teams and the two LA teams.