BFJ Presents: OS "Boys of Summer" Custom All-Star Sliders

[DanSF49]

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Look forward to seeing your results.. BTW Dan I've noticed the Sliders play differently from exhibition & franchise. Have you notice this especially since the Patch?

Yeah and I noticed that last year with 2K7 also. It drives me so nuts that last year I just gave up on franchise mode and just made my own tournaments up using all the MLB teams and I have a ton of fun playing that way. It looks like it will happen this year also, I don't like how the sliders become dynamic in franchise with the hot and cold teams and now this year you can't turn if off. Its just stupid. Why can't 2K put out a game where you can play with all teams in the league, not have hot/cold team and not have dynamic sliders. Man there are some things I wish I could go back to nintendo or genesis and play when they let you play seasons and left everything else alone.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Yeah and I noticed that last year with 2K7 also. It drives me so nuts that last year I just gave up on franchise mode and just made my own tournaments up using all the MLB teams and I have a ton of fun playing that way. It looks like it will happen this year also, I don't like how the sliders become dynamic in franchise with the hot and cold teams and now this year you can't turn if off. Its just stupid. Why can't 2K put out a game where you can play with all teams in the league, not have hot/cold team and not have dynamic sliders. Man there are some things I wish I could go back to nintendo or genesis and play when they let you play seasons and left everything else alone.

I was hoping this wasn't the case, but I guess it's true. Terrible programming choice by 2K LA. Dan I haven't touched the Player Progression Sliders, but do you think they might help off-set sliders becoming dynamic, hence minimizing the effect Hot/Cold Teams have? I've really seen no one talk much about these sliders & the effect there having on peoples franchise.

[frago]

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Well I decided to try these sliders because I just wasn't having fun at default. They play pretty good but I couldn't hit worth a damn. I wasn't striking out or anything but was just hitting the ball into routine plays over and over and over. It got tiresome.

The AI on the other hand consistently knocked me around , hitting perfect shots past my fielders and into the gaps. Not a lot of homers or anything but just rakes all over the field really just like I was a little leaguer. I don't mind it so much though as it makes me stay on my toes while pitching.

I played two series , 6 games and lost them all. Barely ever getting more than 8 hits and scoring 1 or 2 runs of lucky.

So after reading the discussion here it made me think about the pitcher difficulty slider. I left everything the same as the very first sliders posted in the thread the first day and bumped the Pitcher Diff slider down 5 points

BAM
I now hit to the gaps and hit sharp grounders past diving infielders.

I really think this is the slider for the human hitting.

I plan to do the same and push the TCP slider down by 5 and see how the AI reacts as soon as I play 5 or so games like this first.

[DanSF49]

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Alright Joe I'm back from a little lunch break testing. This is going to be a really long post. I tried 2 games the first was 5 innings the second I got in 3 innings, just to get a feel of these.
First thing is I'm not trying to hijack your thread but I'm going to post the sliders I used this way if you want to test with them you can. I tried to keep everything as symetrical as I could just to see how it worked out and suprisingly it was really good. The only slider I might try tweaking is Batting Influence I had it at 50 but I may try boosting it to 100 after I test some more. I will post the sliders and then below them give you my quick testing recap.

ALL SLIDERS ARE SET FROM THE FAR LEFT

HUMAN SLIDERS
Batting Skill: 0
Batting Contact: 75
Batting Power: 25
Foul Ball Frequency: 90
Batting Influence: 50
Step Influence: 50
Pitcher Difficulty: 50
Batter Bunt Assistance: 50
Batter Bunt for Hit: 50
Runner Baserunning Speed: 75
Runner Stealing Success: 35
Infielder Errors: 35
Outfielder Errors: 65
Throw Meter Difficulty: 100
Infielder Speed: 20
Outfielder Speed: 35
Infielder Reaction Speed: 20
Outfielder Reaction Speed: 0
Fielding Aggression: 50
Pitcher Fatigue: 65
Total Control Pitching: 100
Injuries: 50
Pitch Speed: 60

AI GENERAL OPTIONS
AI Infield Errors: 35
AI Outfield Errors: 65
AI Infielder Speed: 20
AI Outfielder Speed: 35
AI Fielding Aggression: 50
AI Hit n Run: 100
AI Sacrifice Bunt: 50
AI Squeeze: 25
AI Run Aggression: 100
AI Stealing Success: 65
AI Steal 2nd: 100
AI Steal 3rd: 75
AI Diveback: 50
Infielder Reaction Speed: 20
Outfielder Reaction Speed: 0

AI BATTING OPTIONS
Inside Edge: ON
AI Take Strike Overall: 50
AI Take Strike Ahead: 75
AI Take Strike Behind: 25
AI Take Ball Overall: 50
AI Take Ball Ahead: 75
AI Take Ball Behind: 25
AI Skill: 0
AI Contact: 75
AI Power: 25
AI Foul Ball Frequency: 90
AI Bunt For Hit: 50

AI PITCHING OPTIONS
AI Corner: 60
AI Change Speed: 40
AI Throw Strike Overall: 3
AI Throw Strike Ahead: 1
AI Throw Strike Behind: 5
AI Fatigue: 70
AI Pickoff: 50
AI Pitchout: 50
AI Meat Pitch: 10

First I feel that the Skill at 0 gives the best baseball feel because every hit is not a HR or double in the gap, but I always felt the CPU couldn't really get anything going on offense and that they would swing way to early on breaking pitches. But with the TCP at 100 along with Skill at 0 that seems to have changed for the better.

Game 1:
I was the Mets at the Astros (cpu), Maine vs Rodriguez. After 5 innings I was down 3-2, they had 5 hits and 1 HR that I hung a curveball to loretta and he hit it into the first row of the porch in left at minute maid. They scored there 1st run on a line drive basehit by Lee between short and 3rd to bring home Bourne, there second run was driven in by Tejada on a ringing double onto the hill in center over Beltran to score Lee. I struck them out 4 times, and walked 2 over 5 innings while throwing 57 pitches. As for my offense Wandy had me off balance and struck out 6 over the 5 innings while walking 2. I got my 2 in the 1st. Reyes struck out to lead off, then Castillo walked. I then executed the perfect hit and run with wright and had 1st and 3rd for Beltran who popped up to the catcher. I stole second with wright and then Delgado ripped a double right over the bag at 1st and drove in Castillo and Wright.

Game 2:
I was Boston at the Yanks (cpu). Beckett vs Moose. It was 0-0 after 3 with each team with just 1 hit. In the 1st I went down 1-2-3 with a couple of K's. Damon hit the second pitch of the game that was a low in slider, high and deep to right field but Drew had room and caught it at the wall. This was the type of hit that before the cpu would have Damon crushing into the second deck but this time is very realistically just died at the wall. Skill at 0 is our friend. I led off with Manny and drilled a 1-2 pitch on a rope down the left field line it hooked foul, next pitch I got the knuckle-curve and just rolled over it on a 2 hopper to A-Rod. Drew then blooped a basehit into LF over Jeter's out stretched glove for my only hit. Then for the Yanks Giambi came up and smoked a Fastball to center for a basehit for there only hit of the game.

Sorry for the long post and play by play of the games but I wanted you to get a feel of what I was seeing. I think we are definetly onto something with Skill at 0 and TCP at 100. Also I believe even more in the theory of having Contact and Power adding up to 100 now that I have seen this.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Sounds encouraging Dan. What were the results of MEATBALL pitches?

[DanSF49]

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Sounds encouraging Dan. What were the results of MEATBALL pitches?

I saw mostly swings and misses on meatballs and saw them actually take 1 for a strike which was a first. Also a couple of flyouts, groundouts and a basehit. The crushed double by Lee over Beltran was on a meatpitch though. The homerun to loretta wasn't a meatball it was just a curveball that dropped right over the plate. Overall I was really happy with what I saw.

[bigfnjoe96]

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I saw mostly swings and misses on meatballs and saw them actually take 1 for a strike which was a first. Also a couple of flyouts, groundouts and a basehit. The crushed double by Lee over Beltran was on a meatpitch though. The homerun to loretta wasn't a meatball it was just a curveball that dropped right over the plate. Overall I was really happy with what I saw.

Good Stuff. Will give the Hitting Sliders a try tonight...

[DanSF49]

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Good Stuff. Will give the Hitting Sliders a try tonight...

I would make sure you have all the sliders for hitting including, Pitcher Diff., Batting Inf. and Step Inf also. What I'm going to do tonight also is try a full game with the set I just posted and then play the same teams and pitchers again but with Batting Inf. at 100 instead of 50 and see what the difference is. I don't know why but I really think that Batting Influence affects both the Human and CPU hitters. It just seems like everytime I move that slider the CPU batters are also affected the same way. I think we can come up with something special here. I feel this game has so much hidden potential we are just going to have to search for it.

[bigfnjoe96]

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I would make sure you have all the sliders for hitting including, Pitcher Diff., Batting Inf. and Step Inf also. What I'm going to do tonight also is try a full game with the set I just posted and then play the same teams and pitchers again but with Batting Inf. at 100 instead of 50 and see what the difference is. I don't know why but I really think that Batting Influence affects both the Human and CPU hitters. It just seems like everytime I move that slider the CPU batters are also affected the same way. I think we can come up with something special here. I feel this game has so much hidden potential we are just going to have to search for it.

Dan, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Batting Influence only apply when IE is being used?

[DanSF49]

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Dan, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Batting Influence only apply when IE is being used?

Well I dont use IE for myself I only leave it on for the CPU, but it doesnt matter this slider seems to effect something whether you have IE on or off. I think with it at a high number it helps the hitting and when its low it makes it harder to hit. I went back and looked at my sliders from last season and I had on my spreadsheet all the default slider settings for the 4 diff. levels and they were as follows. Rookie-60, Pro-50, All Star-40, Legend-30. So if you follow that then it would make it harder as the number goes down. I don't think it does only what it says it does. I think it boost up or lowers your hitting with pitches in your hot or cold zone.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Well I dont use IE for myself I only leave it on for the CPU, but it doesnt matter this slider seems to effect something whether you have IE on or off. I think with it at a high number it helps the hitting and when its low it makes it harder to hit. I went back and looked at my sliders from last season and I had on my spreadsheet all the default slider settings for the 4 diff. levels and they were as follows. Rookie-60, Pro-50, All Star-40, Legend-30. So if you follow that then it would make it harder as the number goes down. I don't think it does only what it says it does. I think it boost up or lowers your hitting with pitches in your hot or cold zone.

I'll double check this once I get home. I'll test BI @ 50 then @ 100 & see if there's a difference

[Bahnzo]

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I played a couple exhibition games with your settings Dan. I've been intrigued with the AI skill of 0 concept. But I have to say they didn't encourage me at all. First game was Rockies (me) vs Reds. After 5 HR's from meatballs in the first 2 innings, I set the TCP back to 85, which is what I'm used to. 100 just gives too many meatballs if you don't hit your mark every time. I still wound up losing the game 10-4. The AI hit 0 singles, 2 doubles, and 9 hrs. I still struck them out 12 times, so I don't think my pitching had anything to do with that. For the record, my hitting in that game was 3 singles, 3 doubles, 3 triples, 0 HR's.

Second game was Yankees (me) vs Red Sox. Again, 0 singles for the AI, 1 double, and 5 HR's. Struck them out 11 times. All my hits for the Yankees were HR's (4) with the exception of 1 double.

Sorry, I'm just not seeing it here.

Edit: I should add I don't mean to disparage with these comments. I'm always interested in ways to make the game better somehow. I was pretty interested to try these, but they just didn't work out for me.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Alright I'm testing BI @ 50 along with TCP @ 50.. Let's see what happens

[bigfnjoe96]

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Test game #1 Devil Rays @ Yanks (Franchise Game 4)

Yanks win 5-2. The game seem to play pretty good.

Rays had 8 hits @ Mussina, Hawkins & Rivera:

6 singles
1 double
1 hr

SO 8 times

Yanks had 10 hits @ Jackson & Miller:

8 singles
1 triple
1 hr

Game was 2-2 going into the 8th, when the Yanks scored 3. 2 on a HR by Giambi. Rivera shut the door down, but did allow the tying run to get to the plate. Damn comeback AI..

I'm gonna play game 2 of the series. I will bump-up the BI & TCP to 75 & see what happens

[bigfnjoe96]

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We'll TCP @ 75 is getting me rocked as the AI is killing any & all breaking balls I throw due to them not being fully accurate (Circle is YELLOW) this also goes for Fastballs.

Tampa Ray is now leading 9-1 as they just exploded for 6 runs in the 8th. Kazmir is pitching for the Rays & is dealing.

EDIT: Lost the game 9-1. TB had 16 hits:

7 singles
8 doubles
2 hr

SO: 2

Yanks had 6 hits:

4 singles
2 doubles

conclusion for me is even with skill @ 0 for the AI when the TCP is set high the AI will pound you . Not really sure if the Batter Influence slider really does anything when the User isn't using Inside Edge.