Com vs Com sliders

[johnriii]

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Cubs vs Reds
Reds 6 Cubs 0
hits Cubs 6 Reds 11
hr Reds 1 (bruce) Cubs 0
SO Reds 7 cubs 6
BB Reds 1 Cubs 4

Garza got chased in the bottom of the first, giving up 4 runs, including 3 run homer to Jay bruce. Chapman for the Reds was brilliant, scattering 5 hits vs Cubs in 7.2 innings. I'm somewhat worried about the power, but I will give it at least two more games. hit counts look good, as do walks and strikeouts. I'm thinking everything may be just right except for power, but maybe lowering composure a little would fix it. I will finish this series with the settings I'm on for now. maybe I can finish it tonight, too hot (99 degrees) to do anything outside anyway, and I can't watch the games from my pool!

[johnriii]

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alright, got two more games in, which is what I wanted for my sampling of the new sliders.

Reds 6 Cubs 3
hits Reds 11 Cubs 9
Hr Reds 1 Cubs 0
SO Reds 9 Cubs 5
BB Reds 1 Cubs 2

cubs/reds were only a two game series, so I played the next

Cubs 3 Marlins 1
hits Cubs 13 Marlins 10
Hr Cubs 0 Marlins 0
SO Cubs 10 Marlins 7
BB Cubs 2 Marlins 5

here is what I'm seeing. we have now improved the pitching, and we are getting good/high hit amounts. BUT, now HR's are almost non existent from what I had only 4 games ago. both extremes are bad, now it's time to find a balance. composure may need to drop to 40-45, and power may need to go up. my hit numbers were fine @ 40(contact), but obviously, power was nuts @ 80. I'm thinking of running the next three games @ 65 power, with no other changes. 50 contact is definitely giving more hits, mostly singles, but i can see a difference in how hard the ball is being hit. more bloop singles, less line drives. I will try to run a couple games after work tomorrow with power boosted to 65. I'm expecting at least one homer per team, depending on the pitcher. i noticed a difference in homer amounts and frequency when I change Break influence, even before i moved composure, so maybe the key is with that slider. I'm leaning towards leaving pitcher sliders alone, i think the key is somewhere in the contact/power sliders. we'll see in the next week or so....

[johnriii]

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I got one more game in last night, and wow, I hope this is an oddity.

Marlins 8 Cubs 7
hits Marlins 17 Cubs 16
Hr Marlins 1 Cubs 0
SO Marlins 7 Cubs 3
BB Marlins 4 Cubs 3

In the four games since trying these sliders, I have seen 83 hits, 3 of which have been HR's. while i'm not sure if 83 hits in four games is too much, I know 3 hr's out of 83 hits is putrid. I'm pressing forward with some adjustments on contact/power to see what happens. maybe another 4 game sample will show something. also, doubles are very rare as well, even with the outfielders running speed down to 20. most hits are flare/bloop singles that no one could catch at defensive running speed down to 20. I'll be back when I can posting my new sliders for contact/power, and game results.

[Lupus11]

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I got one more game in last night, and wow, I hope this is an oddity.

Marlins 8 Cubs 7
hits Marlins 17 Cubs 16
Hr Marlins 1 Cubs 0
SO Marlins 7 Cubs 3
BB Marlins 4 Cubs 3

In the four games since trying these sliders, I have seen 83 hits, 3 of which have been HR's. while i'm not sure if 83 hits in four games is too much, I know 3 hr's out of 83 hits is putrid. I'm pressing forward with some adjustments on contact/power to see what happens. maybe another 4 game sample will show something. also, doubles are very rare as well, even with the outfielders running speed down to 20. most hits are flare/bloop singles that no one could catch at defensive running speed down to 20. I'll be back when I can posting my new sliders for contact/power, and game results.

johnriii,

Yeah, it seems like these sliders are providing perfect stats BUT the homers are lacking. I haven't run any more of the playoffs as yet, but looking at the stats I've had so far the need is to increase Ks by as many as 1.5 per game per team and drop hits by just under 1 per game per team which would naturally just lower the batting averages to around the .250 mark, all the while trying to increase the HR output. Before continuing with the playoffs I've been messing around looking for the answer, by going with 55/55/60/60 batting and 55/50/50/45 I've had some success, getting one homer per game, but I have been using the power hitting AL East teams.

Yankees 9-3 Blue Jays

Hits : 14-11
Avg : .378 - .305
HR : 0-1 (Bautista)
SB : 4/4 - 0/0
Ks : 3-5
BBs : 0-7
PC : 106-154
1B : 11-7
2B : 3-3
3B : 0-0

I tried 55/55/60/60 and 55/50/50/40 next:

Red Sox 4-2 Rays

Hits : 10-2
HR : 1-0 (Pedroia)
Avg : .285 - .074
SBs : 2/2 - 0/1
Ks : 5-6
BBs : 1-7
1B : 7-1
2B : 1-0
3B : 1-1

I will run the rest of the LDS and the LCS with the sliders used for the Yankees-Jays game, it certainly added more power not enough to turn the woeful Pirates into an unstoppable force, but possibly enough to just give hitters like Pujols, Cabrera and the other big guys a shot at going yard more often. It needs 10+ games to get more idea, so I'll try these out.

I had a look at the stats for the WS back on page 7 between the Braves and the Rangers:

Runs : 4
Hits : 9.28
Ks : 7.57
BBs : 4
Avg : .259

Compare with these from the playoffs so far (the numbers in red are the ideal, the runs and BBs are bang in the middle of the ideal range)

Runs : 4.38
Hits : 9.35 (8.50)
Ks : 5.56 (7.00)
BBs : 3.01
Avg : .270 (.250)

As you can see the hits are virtually identical despite vastly different sliders 40/80 vs 55/50. The strikeout numbers in the WS were pretty much ideal and runs on both sliders are fine. The averages in the WS were good too. Ks must be affected by the power slider and it's interesting that BBs in the WS were higher despite pitcher composure being 5. The crucial difference was the number of HRs: 15 in seven WS games and only five in eight games on the 55/50/60/60 playoffs. Of course matchups do make a difference, and in the WS Texas and Atlanta were two well balanced teams with good pitching and quality batting lineups. I will run the next 4-12 games of the LDS with the 55/55/60/60 batting and 55/50/50/45 set, but unless I get at least eight more games in the LDS, I'll also run the LCS with them. The issue is to increase HRs and Ks both of which seem to be influenced by batting power. The increase in Ks is likely to decrease the number of hits and drop the batting average, but I do wonder if such a small increase in the power slider will provide the HR boost we need. We'll see.

If this fails I think the WS sliders of 40/80 and 60/50/35/5 provide a a good base to work with. The hits need to drop but not dramatically and only the high BBs provide a problem. The HRs were there in realistic numbers, so these sliders really are not far off at all. I am inclined to think that 40/80 and 60/50/50/5 might actually be the way to go, the increase in break influence might be the answer or failing that 55/50/50/5 (or even 0),esp. the combo of 55/50 for success and strike zone freq. which has been good. The stats from the WS really weren't far off, just the issue of BBs most of which were dished up by the Rangers who also struggled with extra base hits. I am currently running a game between Yankees-Rays with 40/80 batting and 60/50/50/5 and all other sliders as posted by me last, many of which are very different from the WS version. It's looking good so far, I seriously tempted to use these for the LDS and LCS.

[Lupus11]

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Ok, the test game with my traditional slider-busters the Yankees on the road at the Rays, I'm gonna take these sliders for the remainder of the LDS.

Yankees 6-3 Rays

Hits : 7-6
HR : 1-0 (Granderson)
Avg : .218 - .187
SB : 1/2 - 0/0
Ks :10-8
BBs : 4-4
1B : 4-5
2B : 1-1
3B : 1-0
PC : 123-127

No major concerns with any of this, good to get a HR and a decent variation in hits and extra base hits. Pitch count ok. Potential for too many Ks, BBs acceptable for a one game trial. The changes to the WS sliders didn't seem to have any impact including the much lower fielding speeds. BBs can probably be lowered slightly by increasing strike zone freq to 55 but this might require pitch success dropping to 55 or even 50. But for now I'll run with these until the LCS.

So that's 40/80 for batting and 60/50/50/5 for pitching. All other sliders as posted on page 12.

[Lupus11]

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I ran the third game of the Pirates - Reds series with the above sliders, good game, decent stats. The Reds sweep the series having won 6-5 (14 inns) and 8-7 with the earlier sliders.

Pirates 3-7 Reds

Hits : 6-10
HR : 1-2 (Jones - Bruce 2)
Avg : .200 - .322
SB : 1/3 - 1/1
Ks : 9-12
BBs : 3-3
1B : 5-5
2B : 0-2
3B : 0-1
PC : 125-137

The Reds predictably won the series, their rating are so much higher than the Pirates. The only real concern is the number of Ks: 21 in the game and 18 in the Yankees-Rays test. But everything else good, not a hit fest, BBs fine and enough power for some homers. I have made one adjustment since this game and have decided to unleash the Yankees on these changes. I dropped break influence to 40, everything else unchanged, and got a nice offensive show.

Yankees 8-6 Indians

Hits : 14-12
HR : 0-0
Avg : .368 - .315
Ks : 11-5
BBs : 2-4

No point reading too much into this one game, but I think I might run the next few with this change. As much as I love low offensive numbers it's good to see this kind of game. It could have been worse, the Tribe were leading 4-2 after the first inning on 6 hits (Yanks had 2), so you can see how it settled down after that point. The Yankees actually scored 4 runs on 4 hits in the ninth, so a bit of a strange game. The lack of homers is no worry, we seemed to have realised that 40/80 is the only way to get realistic numbers. I figured that lower break influence would cut the Ks enough without (hopefully) giving more hits. This was a good game, but too many .300+ average games and it'll be try and try again time.

[Lupus11]

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The next game with the sliders was another good one stats-wise.

Indians 6-4 Twins

Hits : 8-9
HR : 1-0 (Cabrera)
Avg : .242 - .281
SB : 0/1 - 2/2
Ks : 11-10
BBs : 7-3
1B : 6-7
2B : 1-2
3B : 0-0
PC : 148-119

The win meant a sweep for the Indians who won 9-4 and 8-3 in the earlier games. Double figure strikeouts again is a concern and the BBs high, but nothing unrealistic for a single game. I'll drop break influence to 25 next, and then will consider going to a 65/50/15/5 pitching set. From that point on it'll be time to mess with contact/power again. Get the feeling we've been here before?!

[Lupus11]

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Just messing about with sliders today, three games with Red Sox, and Youkilis has had three ground rule doubles...I've only seen one before and I think that may have been his too!

[johnriii]

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lupus
I have changed the contact/power slider back to 40/80 for my last four games, everything else unchanged.

Cubs 1 Redsox 2
hits 8-10
hrs 1-0
bb 2-0
ks 9-10

Cubs 6 redsox 4
hits 15-8
hrs 1-1
bb 5-3
ks 11-5

Cubs 6 Mets 1
hits 10-8
hr 2-1
bb 2-4
ks 11-8

Cubs 8 mets 0
hits 15-4
hrs 1-0
bb 2-4
ks 15-6

Not much of a power shift, but at least its there. what I have noticed that with the power at 80, many more line drives are hit. I am thinking of tweaking the contact down to 35 just to see what happens, but I think I'm getting way too many K's already. I will post a few more tomorrow to see if anything changes.

[Lupus11]

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lupus
I have changed the contact/power slider back to 40/80 for my last four games, everything else unchanged.

Cubs 1 Redsox 2
hits 8-10
hrs 1-0
bb 2-0
ks 9-10

Cubs 6 redsox 4
hits 15-8
hrs 1-1
bb 5-3
ks 11-5

Cubs 6 Mets 1
hits 10-8
hr 2-1
bb 2-4
ks 11-8

Cubs 8 mets 0
hits 15-4
hrs 1-0
bb 2-4
ks 15-6

Not much of a power shift, but at least its there. what I have noticed that with the power at 80, many more line drives are hit. I am thinking of tweaking the contact down to 35 just to see what happens, but I think I'm getting way too many K's already. I will post a few more tomorrow to see if anything changes.

johnriii,

I've generally been messing around with the sliders for the past few days inc. the combos of 35/80 and 40/80 for batting. The 35/80 combo does provide decent numbers depending on the pitching sliders and you do get homers, but probably not enough. It does seem that 40/80 is the only combo that delivers the long ball as we want it, but there might be some value on trying 45/75 or even 50/70. In one final effort to lower the Ks without having 15+ hits per team per game I've tweaked the pitching sliders with some decent stats, but trying to get the right combo of hitting and pitching is the big (same old) problem. At the moment I'm running 40/80 batting with the following pitching combos: 60/40/0/0, 55/45/0/0 and 55/50/0/0. I've dropped both break influence and composure to zero, and frankly it seems to me that the only sliders that matter are success and strike zone freq.

With 40/80 and 55/45 I've seen a couple of very good games, but surprisingly no homers (Sea-Bos and Oak-NYY), the stats have otherwise been good. Currently trying Oak-NYY again with 40/80 and 55/50, one HR so far. The other option would be 40/80 with 60/40-45, but I quite like the 40/80 and 55/45/0/0 combo stats-wise, but need to see HRs. I'm going to run the same games with the different combos for a week or so and then settle on the best. I decided to ditch the break influence on the principle of 'simplify, simplify, simplify', no point tweaking sliders if they make no difference, so maybe a very high pitch success number with the other pitching sliders at zero might work! Not sure if the magic combo does exist, but there's always hope...

[60METS]

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Hi I am Paul. I have been following your posts. I think I have come up with the best settings, so far!
Batting-40,60,30,30,
Pitching-60,55,45,50,50
Fielding-50,50,60,50,25,20
Running-40,55,60,65,40,50,30,35
I hope this helps!

[Lupus11]

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Hi I am Paul. I have been following your posts. I think I have come up with the best settings, so far!
Batting-40,60,30,30,
Pitching-60,55,45,50,50
Fielding-50,50,60,50,25,20
Running-40,55,60,65,40,50,30,35
I hope this helps!

Hi and welcome!

Do you have some stats to post so we can see how those sliders go? Are you getting these sort of numbers consistently, with the occasional wild game thrown in?

Batting
Runs : 3.30 - 5.35 (Seattle - Boston)
Hits : 7.38 - 9.68 (Seattle - Boston)
Avg : .224 - .278 (Seattle - Boston)

Pitching
Ks : 5.93 - 8.20 (Minnesota - San Franciso)
BBs : 2.48 - 3.79 (Philadelphia - Chicago Cubs)

These have been reasonably easy to get, but the big issue is getting them and HRs at the ideal average of 2 per game (both teams combined).

Your sliders do have a couple of interesting tweaks, I'll have a go at some point. Hopefully the perfect slider set will be found by the end of the season, and at least there's a long off-season to try them out

[Lupus11]

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I've been messing with batting @ 45/75/60/60 and pitching @ 60/40/0/0 and had some interesting results:

Athletics 3-12 Yankees

Hits : 6-21
HRs : 0-2 (Granderson, Teixeira)
Avg : .193 - .500
Ks : 5-6
BBs : 6-5
1B : 5-16
2B : 0-2
3B : 1-1
SB : 0/1 - 2/4
PC : 178-128

Mariners 1-12 Red Sox

Hits : 7-16
HRs : 0-3 (Ortiz 2, Drew)
Avg : .212 - .421
Ks : 7-11
BBs : 3-2
1B : 5-8
2B : 2-5
3B : 0-0
SB : 1/1 - 1/1
PC : 134-102

So, two big mismatches and two BIG blowouts! The Yankees and Red Sox are obviously two of the real big power teams on the game, but I was pleased to see both the A's and the M's were fairly impotent. I was pleased to see HRs with the 45/75 set, the Red Sox usually get plenty of doubles off the Green Monster, and the variety of Ks to BBs was ok. Wakefield pitched a complete game for Boston. Of course, if every mismatch went this way it would be a freakish season stats-wise. Need to see a few more games with a good mix of mismatches, weak vs weak and contender vs contender type games. I though I'd start a playoff series based on the current standings using these stats until it becomes obvious that these sliders are a little unbalanced. The Mariners scored their only run in the ninth on a an error and the A's got four hits and two runs in the eighth, so the chances for dominant pitching are also there. Unfortunately the first game of the playoffs was another mismatch in terms of game ratings, but the stats contrasted with the above:

Pirates 1-6 Phillies

Hits : 5-12
HRs : 0-0
Avg : .172 - .352
Ks : 9-10
BBs : 0-1
1B : 5-8
2B : 0-2
3B : 0-2
SB : 0/0 - 2/2
PC : 105-95

Just one BB, no HRs and hit and average numbers toned down a little. Cliff Lee pitched all nine innings.

These slider adjustments go with the sliders on page 12, pitch speed @60 and pitcher fatigue @35.

[Lupus11]

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Tigers 7-8 Red Sox

Hits : 15-16
HRs : 0-1 (Gonzalez)
Avg : .384 - .444
Ks : 7-7
BBs : 9-1
1B : 10-9
2B : 3-6
3B : 2-0
SB : 0/0 - 0/0
PC : 157-114

Ok, a big offensive game and it looks like this particular experiment might be dead in the water already! But I'll run a few more, these are two of the better hitting teams. The Red Sox have more doubles than any other team in MLB this season although 11 in two games with these tweaks is pushing things a little too far!! Nonetheless, the pitchng numbers have been very interesting: the Tigers gave up nine BBs (never seen that many) while the Pirates and Phillies gave up only one between them, and the pitch counts have varied dramatically. Of course that means jack if these hitting numbers are going to be the average. But actually kinda fun to see some madness.

[johnriii]

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Tigers 7-8 Red Sox

Hits : 15-16
HRs : 0-1 (Gonzalez)
Avg : .384 - .444
Ks : 7-7
BBs : 9-1
1B : 10-9
2B : 3-6
3B : 2-0
SB : 0/0 - 0/0
PC : 157-114

Ok, a big offensive game and it looks like this particular experiment might be dead in the water already! But I'll run a few more, these are two of the better hitting teams. The Red Sox have more doubles than any other team in MLB this season although 11 in two games with these tweaks is pushing things a little too far!! Nonetheless, the pitchng numbers have been very interesting: the Tigers gave up nine BBs (never seen that many) while the Pirates and Phillies gave up only one between them, and the pitch counts have varied dramatically. Of course that means jack if these hitting numbers are going to be the average. But actually kinda fun to see some madness.

Lupus,
interesting results there, but I'm starting to believe that the contact/power sliders are the key, but somewhere in pitching, composure seems to play a big part. I'm running one game @ 35/75 hitting, with 30 composure, everything else the same. if I don't fall asleep, I will post later tonight. two homer average is about right, but I'm either getting 3-4 @ 40/80, or 0-1 @ 30/70, both with composure @ 50. maybe 35/75 is it, and I'm running Reds/cubs right now. have you noticed if you can turn off the "hot streak/cold streak" feature at the beginning of a franchise? I've got three cubs who have been HOT for over six weeks. of course, changing the sliders as much as I do probably doesn't help.