mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

I have seen 2 HR's, both from Adrian Beltre. As the Rangers I would expect Hamilton or Kinsler or Cruz or Napoli to hit some but they aren't getting close. I can't even get any hard smashes from them. They are pretty much hitting weak singles.

I'm just curious about this. Do players not perform as well in spring training as they will in the real season? It just seems no matter what I set the sliders at, even jacking power up to 80 or so, the players don't hit any harder or weaker than always.

You must wait for a good pitch and not swing at doubtful pitches. Furthermore you must have a good timing pushing the button.

In this game I posted on side 31 with the Brewers @ the Padres I hit homers with Weeks, Braun and Lucroy off Stauffer and Owings. Both pitchers are right handed.
Weeks' power vs RHP is 71, Braun's 87 and Lucroy 58.

Try to force the pitch count up, don't swing at doubtful pitches unless its a 2-2 or 3-2 count. Profit.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Low scoring game:

           R H E
Florida*   3 9 1
Washington 1 6 0
L: Lannan, W: A. Sanchez, S: Bell

I don't know if it is just me, I think I saw it mentioned by others, but the user strikeouts are very high. In this game I didn't pitch really well, but the Nats swung at everything. I ended up getting 16 strikeouts, that seems to be much too high, since none elite pitcher was involved.

Does anybody have a solution for this or knows which sliders need to be tweaked for this?

At least in this game it was the first time for me in MLB 2k12 that the cpu put in a pinch hitter and a pinch runner. In 2k11 it happened quite frequently but in 2k12 it happens way too less.

[Rdrunner]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

You must wait for a good pitch and not swing at doubtful pitches. Furthermore you must have a good timing pushing the button.

In this game I posted on side 31 with the Brewers @ the Padres I hit homers with Weeks, Braun and Lucroy off Stauffer and Owings. Both pitchers are right handed.
Weeks' power vs RHP is 71, Braun's 87 and Lucroy 58.

Try to force the pitch count up, don't swing at doubtful pitches unless its a 2-2 or 3-2 count. Profit.

I try run the pitch count up unless I'm given a fat pitch down the middle which we tend to miss completely or hit in the LF or RF stands. Unfortunately, opposing pitchers usually are so accurate they will strike me out early in the count if I just stand there waiting because it seems that if you rarely swing early they will start throwing strikes, which I didn't see in 2k11. The # of stikeouts I've gotten from standing with the bat on my shoulder early in the count is astonishing. In 2k11 I rarely got anything but swinging strikes. It also seems to me that when a pitcher is forced to throw a strike, late in the count, it won't be as good a pitch to hit as one early in the count would be since the batter is now waiting on that fat pitch so I'm not sure I buy the argument that one should run the pitch count up. I rarely see pitches down the middle late in the count. I see it pretty frequently early in the count.

However, I work every batter as I do Beltre and he is the only one to have any HR's. I don't buy that it's my swing that is causing all the other power hitters to be so feeble. They get nice fly balls at times but none reach the warning track. They even get that really loud crack of the bat, as does Beltre, but Beltre's really go as far as the crack of the bat says it should.

Also, I should mention the AI players aren't hitting with much power either though they do get a lot of doubles and triples from relatively shallow hits that it takes the fielders all day to get to.

[Rdrunner]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Low scoring game:

           R H E
Florida*   3 9 1
Washington 1 6 0
L: Lannan, W: A. Sanchez, S: Bell

I don't know if it is just me, I think I saw it mentioned by others, but the user strikeouts are very high. In this game I didn't pitch really well, but the Nats swung at everything. I ended up getting 16 strikeouts, that seems to be much too high, since none elite pitcher was involved.

Does anybody have a solution for this or knows which sliders need to be tweaked for this?

At least in this game it was the first time for me in MLB 2k12 that the cpu put in a pinch hitter and a pinch runner. In 2k11 it happened quite frequently but in 2k12 it happens way too less.

From what I read someplace, if you lower the break effect on your pitches it should reduce that problem. Also, if the AI power rating is too high they will swing thru a lot of pitches also.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

From what I read someplace, if you lower the break effect on your pitches it should reduce that problem. Also, if the AI power rating is too high they will swing thru a lot of pitches also.

I think I was the one that suggested that.

The problem is:
- if I lower the break they hit too often
- if I lower the power they seem to be unable to make extra base-hits

It is like MKharsh has said at another place. This game should have not only 5 point jumps in the sliders, 1 point jumps would be it.

But since I edited some ratings it has become better. But from time to time there are way too much strikeouts. Ok, it happens occasionally in the MLB, too, but bringing in Steven Cishek of the Marlins and pitching 6 strikeouts in 6 at bats with only ONE ball because they swing and swing is somehow strange

[mkharsh33]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

LOL... well, that's frustrating as I just typed out a response and suddenly my firefox just shut down for no reason. Won't retype what I wrote, but I won a game 11-2 last night. cubs (cpu) at angels (me). I hit 3 hr's, 3 doubles, and 1 triple. NO left thumb stick used. I gave more details in my note that got deleted (that I'm not retyping) but I have no concerns about anything.

ONE NOTE: I am personally using everything as noted on page 1 - post 1 with TWO EXCEPTIONS: I have my user and cpu Infield Throw Strength at 40 (and NOT 45) - I just changed that back - but use what you want. I personally feel that 40 is perfect as I see some great close plays, and not every potential double play ball is a given.

[BrianU]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

I love managing minor leagues and playing those games every now and then, even thr fictitious A level guys. one thing it seems the drop from MLB to AAA is more severe for pitchers than hitters, I had 6 hits in a row and 2 homers in a triple A game just fooling around, just one sample but I could see lower human contact 2 clicks for minor league games. also not a big fan of cpu composure it seems cheap to me creating artificial rallys when I get better that's the first slider I plan to lower

[BrianU]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

I investigated a little and the league average composure on the player card for major league pitchers is 73, for minor league pitchers it is 56. no wonder why I got six hits in a row, I'm going to lower it to 10 and see how it plays. I just dont like the idea of the cpu pitcher automatically being so bad just because a guy is standing on second base. id rather have the pitch and contact ratings determine outcome more, the guy I got six hits off had 52 composure.

I was seeing too many double plays on the user hitting side so glad you lowered IF throw speed

[mkharsh33]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

I investigated a little and the league average composure on the player card for major league pitchers is 73, for minor league pitchers it is 56. no wonder why I got six hits in a row, I'm going to lower it to 10 and see how it plays.

Do me a favor and try 15 instead... Some guys are stating they can't string any hits together.

I think our playing style is very similar, so drop it 10 points (from 25 to 15) and then see how it plays over 3-5 games (which is what I'm gonna do). Appreciate your research on this. After going over rosters by creating so many players, I scratch my had at some of 2K's ratings...some just don't make any sense.

What they don't realize (or are just too lazy) is that this game would NOT need to be patched in certain areas if they just fixed some of the roster attributes. On the flip side, there's so MANY players that have to be changed, and I get irked at how the windows tend to slow down which makes tweaking roster attributes a bit more time consuming... (They took that out a bit better this year in NCAA Football...wish 2K would do the same by speeding up the menus a bit).

[BrianU]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Do me a favor and try 15 instead... Some guys are stating they can't string any hits together.

I think our playing style is very similar, so drop it 10 points (from 25 to 15) and then see how it plays over 3-5 games (which is what I'm gonna do). Appreciate your research on this. After going over rosters by creating so many players, I scratch my had at some of 2K's ratings...some just don't make any sense.

What they don't realize (or are just too lazy) is that this game would NOT need to be patched in certain areas if they just fixed some of the roster attributes. On the flip side, there's so MANY players that have to be changed, and I get irked at how the windows tend to slow down which makes tweaking roster attributes a bit more time consuming... (They took that out a bit better this year in NCAA Football...wish 2K would do the same by speeding up the menus a bit).

sure, another thing I think that the AAA guys (mostly hitters) are rated a bit too high and throw the scale off. they mostly are low 70 high 60 in default roster when they should be a little lower and more seperation from major leaguers a little more imo

all sports games have those problems that look so obviously wrong it makes you wonder if the guys who make the games ever play them. if I made a baseball game I wouldn't let some of these issues exist. 2k always release good gameplay patches, at least, just hope it doesnt break anything

[GiveMeYourBeans]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Played two games.

I'm 1-1.

I can't hit and when I do it's all singles. No XBH's yet.

[mkharsh33]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

sure, another thing I think that the AAA guys (mostly hitters) are rated a bit too high and throw the scale off. they mostly are low 70 high 60 in default roster when they should be a little lower and more seperation from major leaguers a little more imo

all sports games have those problems that look so obviously wrong it makes you wonder if the guys who make the games ever play them. if I made a baseball game I wouldn't let some of these issues exist. 2k always release good gameplay patches, at least, just hope it doesnt break anything

When we've done basketball rosters (2K) we've even lowered guys into the 60's. Here's what you have to caution against with 2K baseball games and ratings: lower certain ratings too much and it throws the franchise coding completely off... I know what you're saying, but the coding of the game will kill statistics if certain attributes get lowered. So we have to live with mediocre players getting mid-to-high 70's ratings because that's the way 2K made it...

[BlingBling19]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Ok I tried a few games without touching the L stick when hitting and I managed only 11 hits over 3 games.

I am thinking the L stick is pretty a pretty big key to hitting in this game.

[Mickeyknoxx]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Hi MK. Big Fan of your Sliders work...So i made some tests too.. I don't know if it's just coincidence but i feel that with user pitch speed at 60, the hitters are less agressive and the pitch count seems more like real life. I was seeing too many innings that end up with just 5 to 9 pitches. So i lower the pitch speed thinking that this could maybe be the reason that "the cpu was not seeing the ball well" and was too agressive.. and for my surprise the results and the gameplay seems to me more like real life...

About the L-stick.. Yes they really helps a lot when used right.

[BlingBling19]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K12 Sliders: Classic Hitting / Total Control Pitching

Ok now my biggest problem is getting crushed by the CPU while pitching. I am not sure exactly if pitching to that yellow box is what you are supposed to be doing?

Or should I be picking my own pitches and own locations? Which is better?