Official Barry Bonds Thread

[mizzta21]

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Wow!! I am shame-faced now. I feel as low as a snake's belly. You really hurt me with that one.

What club is that? 500 homers and 500 injections with a needle? No you won't see Albert in that one. At least I hope not.

oh you did read my mind, 500 injections? funny.... oh isnt Albert like 15 years old or something? and isnt he like 6'5" 250? what a speciman... really... get a life dude.

[bkrich83]

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oh ya, a lot of you barry haters talk **** about him because baseball cant find anything on him, and your just digging stuff up just to put him down because of that. well its a known fact Barry is the ONLY ONE in the 500-500 club and this happend all BEFORE the steroid era. and if he did take steroids (which none of you can ever prove) so did a big percentage of other ball players. so dont let your life issues get in the way of baseball so you can vent it all out on Barry. get a life guys, let Barry play ball for heaven sakes. the players around the league want to move on, why cant all you guys? sheesh!

The question of whether Barry did or did not use steroids or other things like hgh, or not is not the question. The question in the courts seems to be, did he take them knowingly. I have a hard time believing he was taking steroids unknowingly.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1937594

Which is why he's now being investigated for perjury.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041302137.html

[bkrich83]

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oh you did read my mind, 500 injections? funny.... oh isnt Albert like 15 years old or something? and isnt he like 6'5" 250? what a speciman... really... get a life dude.

So is it your contention then that Pujols is a steroid abuser? And if so, what makes you think so?

[mizzta21]

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His *** of a head is proof enough for me.

Thing looks like a freaking water melon. How do you go from a size 7 hat, to a size 8 and a 1/2 hat as you get older. And please, don't give me "Water Retention".

us Giants fans arent denying he took roids, at least im not, to be honest i think he did. but damn you guys act like he has been the only one. even the players around mlb have admitted to knowing teamates all around the league taking roids. so why cant you guys?? oh hahah cuz ur all stubborn and because u all had issues when u were little kids ur all venting it out on one guy now because BSPN says so...

[BGarrett7]

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oh ya, a lot of you barry haters talk **** about him because baseball cant find anything on him, and your just digging stuff up just to put him down because of that.

Baseball can't, maybe. But that sure isn't stopping the hometown writers or the feds...

well its a known fact Barry is the ONLY ONE in the 500-500 club and this happend all BEFORE the steroid era.

And do you see anyone here debating whether or not Barry was or wasn't the most complete player of his generation? No. Everyone has stated time and time again how magnficent of a player he was before he even left Pittsburgh. So, don't even try to play that card.

and if he did take steroids (which none of you can ever prove) so did a big percentage of other ball players.

I don't see why we have to prove that he did or did not. That seems like a job for the more well informed. Someone like Mark Fainaru-Wada, Lance Williams, or the federal government perhaps.

so dont let your life issues get in the way of baseball so you can vent it all out on Barry. get a life guys, let Barry play ball for heaven sakes. the players around the league want to move on, why cant all you guys? sheesh!

Believe me, if Barry was even the slightest concern in my life, I would be the first to let you know. Hell, I'm more concerned about how someone such as yourself, or a few other notable Giants fans, could manage to be so jaded than I am with what Barry Bonds does on the baseball field or in the privacy of his own home.

[bkrich83]

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us Giants fans arent denying he took roids, at least im not, to be honest i think he did. but damn you guys act like he has been the only one. even the players around mlb have admitted to knowing teamates all around the league taking roids. so why cant you guys?? oh hahah cuz ur all stubborn and because u all had issues when u were little kids ur all venting it out on one guy now because BSPN says so...

Try putting a few coherent thoughts togehter.

So because other players were doing it, it makes Barry doing it ok? Yeah that's great logic.

Barry was the best player I have ever seen. Probably the best all-around player of our generation. But his legacy is now tainted because of this and his general demeanor around people and the press. He's made his own bed, now he has to lie in it, and I don't have one shred sympathy for him. He cheated, he got caught, he tried to lie about it, now he has to face the consequences.

[countryboy]

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Here's a little stat information for all the Fans that love to bring Pujols up in these conversations and try and tell me that Barry is better. Well since Albert has only played 5 full seasons of baseball at the MLB level, its only fair that we look at both players' stats in their first five years.

And if you have a problem with the stats I have come up with, just go to mlb.com and look up the stats yourself.

These are the total stats of their first five seasons:

Bonds:
AB - 2601
Hits - 688
2B - 156
3B - 26
HR - 117
RBI - 279
AVG - .264
SO(k's) - 448
SB - 169

Pujols:
AB - 2954
Hits - 982
2B - 227
3B - 11
HR - 201
RBI - 621
AVG - .332
SO(K'S) - 344
SB - 29

There you are. Bonds is only better in stolen bases and in triples. Lets face it, Pujols isn't very light on his feet.

Now, can we please stop bringing Pujols into a Barry thread.

[countryboy]

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us Giants fans arent denying he took roids, at least im not, to be honest i think he did. but damn you guys act like he has been the only one. even the players around mlb have admitted to knowing teamates all around the league taking roids. so why cant you guys?? oh hahah cuz ur all stubborn and because u all had issues when u were little kids ur all venting it out on one guy now because BSPN says so...

ESPN told me to? You have got to be kidding. ESPN is a huge supporter of Bonds. Don't believe me.

On ESPNEWS every night that Barry is playing, they have his stats in the botton right hand corner of the screen in the "breaking news" section.

On ESPN2 there is a show for Bonds. Called Bonds on Bonds. You can't tell me you haven't seen it.

When they are scrolling the scores from around the league, when it gets to the Giants and their boxscore, they have a special line called "Chasing Ruth" and let you know how Barry did.

That argument won't hold water, but I love watching the guilty try and justify their actions. This is classic.

[mjb2124]

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Try putting a few coherent thoughts togehter.

If only it were that easy...

[Blzer]

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So is it your contention then that Pujols is a steroid abuser? And if so, what makes you think so?

I don't think he's taking steroids, but one good reason is the exact same reason everybody thinks that Bonds is... and that's just the size of him. And no, I'm not talking about his 190-lb figure in 1989 compared to now... I'm talking about the size of him. Everybody seems to think that's a compelling argument for steroid usage. I, however, believe it's one of the weakest.

What's an even weaker argument is to say that steroids make you a better ballplayer. I remember my most hilarious post on OS (according to others) referring to this topic specifically, but I was coming from just waking up and talking **** out of my ***. But, I still do believe that steroids do not make you a better ballplayer. They make you stronger (if used correctly) and allow you to last longer, thus POTENTIALLY allowing you an opportunity of greater success.

But, if we are to go with both arguments being so valid, let's take a guy like... Jim Thome for example. Last year, he was a beast at the plate (in size). People might assume steroids, especially compared to his appearance this year. Well, was he a great player last year? HE WAS TERRIBLE! That, and injuries caused him to decline also (steroids? Maybe). This year, "YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOAAAAAARD... YYYYYYYES!!!" If he's now 'off the juice', he's actually got a quicker bat than he's ever had. He's getting through the zone at an unbelievably quick pace right now. He's off the juice, and on the HR leaderboards.




Bonds may have been on steroids all of his life. He may have never been on them at all. Since they're not testing for HGH, Albert Pujols may have been taking them since he was 19. As a matter of fact, my high school teammate and friend Kevin grew about 25 pounds in about 3 months... never ever hitting a home run in his 'high school career'. In four games (three days due to a double-header), he hit three home runs, and they were the three hardest balls he had ever hit in his life. Are they steroids? They could be. So, it's not completely safe to say that Pujols is automatically excused from something that he could have been using about half-a-decade back.

What about Chris Shelton? Brady Anderson? Bret Boone? Ken Griffey Jr.? I mean look at him... he's back on the DL again.




All that I'm saying is that some of these arguments that some of you guys have may be very resourceful and justified. But if they are, there surely is a lot of backfiring that I can shoot at you guys when you make them. I don't doubt that Bonds may have taken steroids since high school ball... but I'm not going to believe it until the Grand Jury convicts and indicts him from it. He's innocent until proven guilty... let's treat him that way; and let's not throw toothpaste tubes at him from the left field stands.













And if you're wondering why I'm home from school today? Inflammation in the back of my neck and left shoulder blade. Steroid side-affect? Don't think so.

[Thrasha]

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But, if we are to go with both arguments being so valid, let's take a guy like... Jim Thome for example. Last year, he was a beast at the plate (in size). People might assume steroids, especially compared to his appearance this year. Well, was he a great player last year? HE WAS TERRIBLE! That, and injuries caused him to decline also (steroids? Maybe). This year, "YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOAAAAAARD... YYYYYYYES!!!" If he's now 'off the juice', he's actually got a quicker bat than he's ever had. He's getting through the zone at an unbelievably quick pace right now. He's off the juice, and on the HR leaderboards.

That's alot of assuming to say he was on roids, stunk, got off the needle, and is now back to being a good player. It was well documented last year that he was having bad arm trouble and wasn't able to swing the bat that well. Do I think he was on steroids? No. Is it possible? Absolutely. And from the little I've seen of Thome this year, he really doesn't look much smaller than he was in Philly.

But don't start throwing names out randomly to try and help your argument. Steroids do help you become a better ballplayer. Your stance that it doesn't is faulty... If done properly it can help you become a better player? No ****. Thanks for the insight.

If these guys have decided that they are going to start taking the juice, I think it'd be safe to say that they are going to do a reasonable job of administering the drug.

[bkrich83]

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blzer, I know you have to defend Bonds at all costs. However it's not just his size. I can guarantee you I've been around more roid users than you have, and there are indicators which I have pointed out many times that lead you to that conclusion. Add in his grand jury testimony, and the rest of the mounting evidence and witness reports, and you'd have to be pretty naive to say people are basing their steroid accusations on his size alone.

And if steroids don't make you a better ballplayer then why were so many players using them? You think it's coincidence Bonds actually got better as he reached an age that 99% of all players start to decline? You think it's a coincidence that he went from a player with good power to a player hitting 70+ homers at that age, right when he began using?

And yes don't start throwing out random names to try to justify what Bonds did or to try to validate your other arguments.

For once, try to be rational.

[Scottdau]

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[QUOTE=bkrich83]blzer, I know you have to defend Bonds at all costs. However it's not just his size. I can guarantee you I've been around more roid users than you have, and there are indicators which I have pointed out many times that lead you to that conclusion. Add in his grand jury testimony, and the rest of the mounting evidence and witness reports, and you'd have to be pretty naive to say people are basing their steroid accusations on his size alone.

And if steroids don't make you a better ballplayer then why were so many players using them? You think it's coincidence Bonds actually got better as he reached an age that 99% of all players start to decline? You think it's a coincidence that he went from a player with good power to a player hitting 70+ homers at that age, right when he began using?

And yes don't start throwing out random names to try to justify what Bonds did or to try to validate your other arguments.

For once, try to be rational.[/QUOTE

That is B.S, roids do not make you a better baseball player. I will say it does make you stronger, but you have to be able to hit the ball already. If that was the case then all these bodybuilders would be studs at baseball, I will say this though if you can hit already and you take roids you have a 50/50 chance of being better, some players lose their swing with the added muscle. And Bonds has always work out when he was younger, so that is why he is able to play today at this age, sure the roids might have help, I don't know for sure. I know you know this BK, because you are in the sports fields. But athletes that work out while they are young, will have a better chance of playing when they are older. You make that decision when you are younger. That is why Rice was able to go for so long. He made that decision when he was younger.

So did Bonds, If he did take roids, I think that hurt his longevity, if he was still the same size he used to be he would take less wear and tear on his body. And he would still be doing what he used to do, maybe not as fast, but he would be in better shape than he is now. The roids if he took them has destroy his body. Look how he is always injured. Their is no question age plays a factor, but Bonds was in great shape when he was younger and if he never took roids or workout heavy, I truly believe he could have played until he was 45, look at Hank A. and other greats.

[bkrich83]

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[quote=Scottd]

blzer, I know you have to defend Bonds at all costs. However it's not just his size. I can guarantee you I've been around more roid users than you have, and there are indicators which I have pointed out many times that lead you to that conclusion. Add in his grand jury testimony, and the rest of the mounting evidence and witness reports, and you'd have to be pretty naive to say people are basing their steroid accusations on his size alone.

And if steroids don't make you a better ballplayer then why were so many players using them? You think it's coincidence Bonds actually got better as he reached an age that 99% of all players start to decline? You think it's a coincidence that he went from a player with good power to a player hitting 70+ homers at that age, right when he began using?

And yes don't start throwing out random names to try to justify what Bonds did or to try to validate your other arguments.

For once, try to be rational.[/QUOTE

That is B.S, roids do not make you a better baseball player. I will say it does make you stronger, but you have to be able to hit the ball already. If that was the case then all these bodybuilders would be studs at baseball, I will say this though if you can hit already and you take roids you have a 50/50 chance of being better, some players lose their swing with the added muscle. And Bonds has always work out when he was younger, so that is why he is able to play today at this age, sure the roids might have help, I don't know for sure. I know you know this BK, because you are in the sports fields. But athletes that work out while they are young, will have a better chance of playing when they are older. You make that decision when you are younger. That is why Rice was able to go for so long. He made that decision when he was younger.

So did Bonds, If he did take roids, I think that hurt his longevity, if he was still the same size he used to be he would take less wear and tear on his body. And he would still be doing what he used to do, maybe not as fast, but he would be in better shape than he is now. The roids if he took them has destroy his body. Look how he is always injured. Their is no question age plays a factor, but Bonds was in great shape when he was younger and if he never took roids or workout heavy, I truly believe he could have played until he was 45, look at Hank A. and other greats.

So you think he would have put up those homerun #'s at that age without roids? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

They allowed Bonds to produce far greater numbers than he ever did, never the less would have in his late 30's early 40's. To think they didn't make him a bettter player is assinine. If they didn't then why take them? Fact of the matter is, before the alleged usage started, he NEVER put up numbers like he did after the usage allegedly started. Yes you need to be a good ball player, but if you look at the numbers, to say it doesn't make an already very good or great player like Bonds was a better player is a flat out lie.

[Scottdau]

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[QUOTE=bkrich83]

So you think he would have put up those homerun #'s at that age without roids? If you do I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

They allowed Bonds to produce far greater numbers than he ever did, never the less would have in his late 30's early 40's. To think they didn't make him a bettter player is assinine. If they didn't then why take them? Fact of the matter is, before the alleged usage started, he NEVER put up numbers like he did after the usage allegedly started. Yes you need to be a good ball player, but if you look at the numbers, to say it doesn't make an already very good or great player like Bonds was a better player is a flat out lie.

See this is what you are not getting. What makes you a better ball player? One that hits HR or all around numbers. HR don't make you a great ball player. Bonds was hitting 310 and 40 hr and 30 bases on an average. I would take that over hitting 73 and less bases. The HR has become so over rated, ever since Mac and Sosa. Before it was about overall ability. Hank A. was one of the greatest HR hitters, but was he better then Mays or others. He had another numbers, so maybe he isn't a good example, but I truly believe HR have become over rated. But that is what the fans want, so baseball want that too. You are saying that because of roids Bonds is better and still being able to play now, that is not true, roids hurt you they tear your body up. And people that take them a long time, usually in up hurting their career, I truly believe if Bonds was hitting 330 and 40 and 30 SB, That he would still be one of the greatest.

If he did roids the only reason I can see why, is because he felt he was one of the greatest and Mac and Sosa ws getting all this attention, so he join in. But to say roids help you I dis agree, sure maybe for the time being, but most of my friends that took roids, got injured real fast or easy, because of the roids. Look at football players that get injured all the time. Roids are not going to prolong your career they do the opposite and you should know that. And if the bridge is cheap I will buy it, I can always used a good bridge!