Official Barry Bonds Thread

[Scottdau]

Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

As I heard Billy Beane say the other day, the most efficient way to get runners on base to score is to hit the ball out of the yard.

Right there is the problem, that is new school. And it is that thinking that has hurt the game of baseball, but just my opinion, we have got so heavy on the long ball we don't care about the little things.

[Stu]

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That is not true, some better sure, but some lose their swing. It is a 50/50 chance, that is all I am saying. If that was the case everybody would be working out and getting stronger, don't see that yet! Maybe I'll ask Butch!

Ok I'm done with this. I'm now convinced you're posting just to get a rise out of us. There's no way a rational adult could formulate an argument around some mythical 50/50 ratio he's pulling out of his ***.

[bkrich83]

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Right there is the problem, that is new school. And it is that thinking that has hurt the game of baseball, but just my opinion, we have got so heavy on the long ball we don't care about the little things.

If it comes down to taking a guy like Billy Beane's word and people on this forums word, I am gonna go with Billy.

But he's right. If you have 2 runners on base, what's the one thing that will guarantee you will score them. You can't catch the ball or throw a runner out if the ball is in the left field seats.

[Thrasha]

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That is not true, some better sure, but some lose their swing. It is a 50/50 chance, that is all I am saying. If that was the case everybody would be working out and getting stronger, don't see that yet! Maybe I'll ask Butch!

Weird

Every year in spring training all we hear about is players talking about how they hit the gym, had their own training regimen made for them by a professional trainer... They must be going rogue with this decision every off-season while the coaches of the teams they play for skewer because of their stupidity.

[bkrich83]

Re: Official Barry Bonds Thread

Right there is the problem, that is new school. And it is that thinking that has hurt the game of baseball, but just my opinion, we have got so heavy on the long ball we don't care about the little things.

BTW, the '27 Yankees just collectively rolled over in their graves.

[Scottdau]

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Again, where are you getting this 50/50 number. What major league players perfomance suffered from performance enhancing drugs?

What ever, if you think getting bigger is going to help everybody then go for it. All the coaches I know and played for would disagree, but that means nothing. I am just saying it is a gamble. If that was the case then more college player and high school players would be taking them. But I am all old school, so I could be wrong, and it has been a while since I have played or talk to coaches, so maybe I am out of the loop. Back then they encourage us no to.

[BGarrett7]

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What ever, if you think getting bigger is going to help everybody then go for it.

There is a huge differences in something being 50% effective, as you claim, and 100% effective, as you claim everyone else is saying.

You've gone from being good for a couple chuckles here and there with your wacky theories and ideaology in this thread to just flat-out stubborn in a very short timespan.

[Scottdau]

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Weird

Every year in spring training all we hear about is players talking about how they hit the gym, had their own training regimen made for them by a professional trainer... They must be going rogue with this decision every off-season while the coaches of the teams they play for skewer because of their stupidity.

But does it make them a better player by getting stronger. We just see different on what make you a better player. It is all about the long now.

[Thrasha]

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But does it make them a better player by getting stronger. We just see different on what make you a better player. It is all about the long now.

That's not my point. If doing it was going to hurt these players, I'm sure the coaches/personal trainers would steer them clear of doing something that'll hurt their career.

[Scottdau]

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There is a huge differences in something being 50% effective, as you claim, and 100% effective, as you claim everyone else is saying.

You've gone from being good for a couple chuckles here and there with your wacky theories and ideaology in this thread to just flat-out stubborn in a very short timespan.

I can same the same about you guys. To say all I just disagree. The point is we all believe what we believe from experiences. I am not going to agree with you guys and you are not going to agree with me. And that is cool, I am sorry for anything I have said! Even though I have been very respect to all you guys, that is more than I can say for you guys though, but it is cool.

[bkrich83]

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What ever, if you think getting bigger is going to help everybody then go for it. All the coaches I know and played for would disagree, but that means nothing. I am just saying it is a gamble. If that was the case then more college player and high school players would be taking them. But I am all old school, so I could be wrong, and it has been a while since I have played or talk to coaches, so maybe I am out of the loop. Back then they encourage us no to.

Those days are long dead. I remember them. When I was in HS, and my Freshman year of college when I played baseball, it was a constant battle between my baseball and football coaches. Football wanted me in the weight room, and baseball didn't.

However, as I said with the way sports specific workouts have advanced, not to mention major advances in physiology, nutritional science, and chemistry those days are long gone.

[bkrich83]

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I can same the same about you guys. To say all I just disagree. The point is we all believe what we believe from experiences. I am not going to agree with you guys and you are not going to agree with me. And that is cool, I am sorry for anything I have said! Even though I have been very respect to all you guys, that is more than I can say for you guys though, but it is cool.

You never did say how you came up with the 50/50 number nor who the major leaguers who have suffered from performance enhancing drugs are.

[Vince]

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Those days are long dead. I remember them. When I was in HS, and my Freshman year of college when I played baseball, it was a constant battle between my baseball and football coaches. Football wanted me in the weight room, and baseball didn't.

However, as I said with the way sports specific workouts have advanced, not to mention major advances in physiology those days are long gone.

Is it true that too much bodybuilding can make you lose your bat speed?

[Scottdau]

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You never did say how you came up with the 50/50 number nor who the major leaguers who have suffered from performance enhancing drugs are.

I am saying in general, but we had one on the Giants, Bobby E. He was hugh and strong and that didn't help his game. What I am saying is player that get to big lose their swing, but that is all I have ever been taught, so it could be wrong today. When I say 50/50 I am saying it is a gamble, some might get better and some might not. I know if we look at all the player that did take them, they got good, but they were already good, so I can see you point. I just have been taught that, so that is why I believe what I believe!

[BGarrett7]

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I am saying in general, but we had one on the Giants, Bobby E. He was hugh and strong and that didn't help his game. What I am saying is player that get to big lose their swing, but that is all I have ever been taught, so it could be wrong today. When I say 50/50 I am saying it is a gamble, some might get better and some might not. I know if we look at all the player that did take them, they got good, but they were already good, so I can see you point. I just have been taught that, so that is why I believe what I believe!

You know what also hurt Bobby Estalella? The fact that he sucked.