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  • Stu
    All Star
    • Jun 2004
    • 7924

    #31
    Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

    Originally posted by SPTO
    I pretty much agree with this. Like I've said I just can't see him in another uniform. I bet if he were traded he'd retire rather then play for the other team.
    And turn down the $80 million or so they still owe him? I think not.

    However, they're not trading him so it's moot.
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    • ab713
      Rookie
      • Dec 2002
      • 315

      #32
      Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

      I don't think that Jeter will ever be traded, but he is the one player that could bring to the yankees whatever they need to fill their holes. Yes they would be losing a proven post season star, but in reality, the new york fans don't care about the "face" of the franchise. They just want to be able to continue saying that their team is the unstoppable force they were in the late 90's. Sure, the first few months might bring some harsh words in the media and a few signs in the crowd about the trade, but as soon as you put another championship in the trophy case, the fans will be wishing Jeter the best with his new team.

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      • ehh
        Hall Of Fame
        • Mar 2003
        • 28962

        #33
        Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

        Originally posted by Pared
        Yes, but I wouldn't give up a star for him at this point. MVP in '05 or not, if he can't come through when it counts... I think Barry Bonds had the same stigma attached to him when it came to post-season performance.

        IF he does get moved, put him back at Shortstop. I'm sure it would do wonders for the guy... he clearly is not comfortable at 3rd.
        Your last sentence is what I think would cause teams to give up a star for him. He'll be out of the zoo that is NYC and back at shortstop, which I think would catapult A-Rod back to the best player in baseball, IMO.
        "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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        • The C
          Banned
          • Apr 2005
          • 7538

          #34
          Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

          Originally posted by ehh
          Hitting .340 is an intangible?
          How often has he hit that high? If I recall he is usually around the .300 line which is very good, but with Arod you get around that plus the homers, the rbis etc.

          All I'm saying is that while trading Jeter would more than likely never happen, I just question how much longer he is going to be good.

          I'd personally rather take A-Rod and hope that light turns on, than stick with Jeter and hope it doesn't burn out. *I'm speaking clearly at the short position. I figure if you put A-Rod back where he is natural that might be a boost for his confidence.

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          • ehh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2003
            • 28962

            #35
            Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

            Originally posted by ab713
            I don't think that Jeter will ever be traded, but he is the one player that could bring to the yankees whatever they need to fill their holes. Yes they would be losing a proven post season star, but in reality, the new york fans don't care about the "face" of the franchise. They just want to be able to continue saying that their team is the unstoppable force they were in the late 90's. Sure, the first few months might bring some harsh words in the media and a few signs in the crowd about the trade, but as soon as you put another championship in the trophy case, the fans will be wishing Jeter the best with his new team.
            I disagree 100%, if that's the case why are so many fans going crazy about the idea of firing Torre?
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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28962

              #36
              Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

              Originally posted by The C
              How often has he hit that high? If I recall he is usually around the .300 line which is very good, but with Arod you get around that plus the homers, the rbis etc.

              All I'm saying is that while trading Jeter would more than likely never happen, I just question how much longer he is going to be good.

              I'd personally rather take A-Rod and hope that light turns on, than stick with Jeter and hope it doesn't burn out. *I'm speaking clearly at the short position. I figure if you put A-Rod back where he is natural that might be a boost for his confidence.
              Jeter is a career .317 hitter, so hitting .317 is intangible?

              Plus, contact hitters usually don't fade as quickly as power hitters at the end of their careers. Jeter could hit above .300 for another six years. I don't think how much longer Jeter can play would have any factor in the team trading A-Rod.
              "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

              "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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              • teebone
                Banned
                • Oct 2006
                • 668

                #37
                Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                Originally posted by SPTO
                Maybe i've exaggerated my claim but if there's still Franchise Players left in pro sports then Jeter has to be one of them. I can't imagine Jeter in another uniform. So maybe most of my venom against such a move is sentimental. I hate the Yankees but Jeter has been THE class of the organization from day one.

                Also I believe he still has at least 4 seasons left at the SS position. When does his current contract expire?
                If saying bland things to the media means "class" then I guess he is the class of the Yankees. At the same time though, he leaves ARod twisting in the wind when ARod is being picked apart. It was ARod and not Jeter who volunteered to take on a new position even though ARod was the superior fielder at SS. Where is the class or grace in that? Jeter has acted more like someone who is more worried about someone invading his turf than someone who is a leader. Wheres the class in that?

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                • teebone
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 668

                  #38
                  Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                  Originally posted by The C
                  How often has he hit that high? If I recall he is usually around the .300 line which is very good, but with Arod you get around that plus the homers, the rbis etc.

                  All I'm saying is that while trading Jeter would more than likely never happen, I just question how much longer he is going to be good.

                  I'd personally rather take A-Rod and hope that light turns on, than stick with Jeter and hope it doesn't burn out. *I'm speaking clearly at the short position. I figure if you put A-Rod back where he is natural that might be a boost for his confidence.

                  I agree with a lot of this. I would also add that Jeters value is as a middle infielder but age may erode his ability to be that soon. ARod has already converted to another position.

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                  • SPTO
                    binging
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #39
                    Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                    Originally posted by teebone
                    If saying bland things to the media means "class" then I guess he is the class of the Yankees. At the same time though, he leaves ARod twisting in the wind when ARod is being picked apart. It was ARod and not Jeter who volunteered to take on a new position even though ARod was the superior fielder at SS. Where is the class or grace in that? Jeter has acted more like someone who is more worried about someone invading his turf than someone who is a leader. Wheres the class in that?
                    Better to be bland then play to the media hype.

                    I do agree somewhat on the whole A-Rod/Jeter relationship thing but maybe it's deeper then most of us realize. Who knows?

                    Either way i'd do whatever I can to make Jeter happy.
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                    • teebone
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 668

                      #40
                      Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                      Originally posted by SPTO
                      Better to be bland then play to the media hype.

                      I do agree somewhat on the whole A-Rod/Jeter relationship thing but maybe it's deeper then most of us realize. Who knows?

                      Either way i'd do whatever I can to make Jeter happy.
                      Im not saying its not better to be bland. Im saying that its silly to use that as a basis for bestowing him characteristics like 'being classy'. Im saying its impossible to know if he is classy. What people see is the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what else goes on. And its possible to be a jerk and simultaneously deal with the media in a way that would never indicate youre a jerk.

                      Having said all that, I dont think theyll move Jeter. I think George is fiercely loyal to people he perceives to be "a Yankee". He has already said letting Reggie go was the worst mistake he has ever made. I dont doubt for a second that George wont let Jeter leave but thats another question from what makes sense. There are very valid arguments for moving ARod.

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                      • ehh
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 28962

                        #41
                        Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                        Originally posted by teebone
                        Im not saying its not better to be bland. Im saying that its silly to use that as a basis for bestowing him characteristics like 'being classy'. Im saying its impossible to know if he is classy. What people see is the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what else goes on. And its possible to be a jerk and simultaneously deal with the media in a way that would never indicate youre a jerk.
                        Are you serious? Name one single time that Jeter has berated or placed blame ANYBODY?! Another player? Another team? The front office? NEVER!

                        Has any other player, team, manager, front office EVER had a problem with Jeter?! NOPE! Never said a bad word about him.

                        Has he ever been in a bar fight, arrested or seen making an *** outta himself while hammered in public?! No. As a matter of fact it's in his contract that he cannot drink alcohol in public.

                        He has the utmost respect for the game of baseball and everyone involved. Has he ever pulled something like Carl Everett, Frank Thomas or someone similar? No.

                        All your recent posts have been anti-Yankee so it's clear you hate them and by this post it's clear you're blinded by your hatred. This is an idiotic reach based 100% assumptions.
                        "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                        "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #42
                          Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          As a matter of fact it's in his contract that he cannot drink alcohol in public.
                          Wow... really? Why is that?
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                          • Stu
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                            • Jun 2004
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                            #43
                            Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                            Originally posted by Pared
                            Wow... really? Why is that?
                            Because it's not the Yankee way to drink alcohol in public.
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                            • ehh
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                              • Mar 2003
                              • 28962

                              #44
                              Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                              One of my boys lives near Jeter's crib in Manhattan. There's a steakhouse right across the street (I'll get the name of it - can't remember it right now) and I guess my boy was in there one day shootin' the **** at Happy Hour and the bartender was saying how Jeter goes in there a decent amount but never orders booze because it'd be in violation of his contract.

                              I guess it's not the best source in the world, so take it for what it's worth.

                              No idea what the reasoning is behind it. Maybe to keep him away from Mariah Carey??
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                              • Pared
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #45
                                Re: Trade A-Rod . . . or Jeter???

                                Originally posted by camulos
                                Because it's not the Yankee way to drink alcohol in public.
                                lol so what the hell was Wells doing all those years as a Yankee?

                                Originally posted by ehh
                                One of my boys lives near Jeter's crib in Manhattan. There's a steakhouse right across the street (I'll get the name of it - can't remember it right now) and I guess my boy was in there one day shootin' the **** at Happy Hour and the bartender was saying how Jeter goes in there a decent amount but never orders booze because it'd be in violation of his contract.

                                I guess it's not the best source in the world, so take it for what it's worth.

                                No idea what the reasoning is behind it. Maybe to keep him away from Mariah Carey??
                                haha... man I'd still tap that nutcase. Mariah Carey...
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