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  • rsox
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    • Feb 2003
    • 6309

    #151
    Re: Zito to...Giants!?

    Originally posted by sask3m
    maybe we should have have tried harder to keep hillenbrand at 3rd and let feliz go.
    If Ryan Klesko learns how to hit again you could see Rich Aurilia playing at 3B quite a bit and Feliz sitting on the bench.

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    • BatsareBugs
      LVP
      • Feb 2003
      • 12553

      #152
      Re: Zito to...Giants!?

      I think Ryan Klesko might surprise people. He may have missed all but one week of the season, but he looked like the Ryan Klesko circa 2001-2002 the time he played last in the season.

      I think he'll like that RF wall a lot too.

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      • Scottdau
        Banned
        • Feb 2003
        • 32580

        #153
        Re: Zito to...Giants!?

        Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
        I think Ryan Klesko might surprise people. He may have missed all but one week of the season, but he looked like the Ryan Klesko circa 2001-2002 the time he played last in the season.

        I think he'll like that RF wall a lot too.
        Yeah I am thinking that too.

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        • Blzer
          Resident film pundit
          • Mar 2004
          • 42520

          #154
          Re: Zito to...Giants!?

          Originally posted by Rag3vsW0rld
          I think he'll like that RF wall a lot too.
          At 309 in the day time? Maybe.

          Anywhere else in right field, especially at night? Only Bonds can do that.

          I have not seen one player other than Bonds or Howard to hit a ball over the 421 foot wall in right-center, and everywhere else in right that isn't the line is just as tough. That spell up in the air, wind blowing in, etc... it's not easy.

          I like him for his line drive power more than his home run power.
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          • BatsareBugs
            LVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 12553

            #155
            Re: Zito to...Giants!?

            Originally posted by Blzer
            At 309 in the day time? Maybe.

            Anywhere else in right field, especially at night? Only Bonds can do that.

            I have not seen one player other than Bonds or Howard to hit a ball over the 421 foot wall in right-center, and everywhere else in right that isn't the line is just as tough. That spell up in the air, wind blowing in, etc... it's not easy.

            I like him for his line drive power more than his home run power.
            Klesko will probably get a ton of doubles and maybe a triple with RF, but don't discount the power he can generate in his swing when he doesn't have anything bothering him physically. He may not hit any 400 feet bombs anymore but I'm sure he can abuse the other RF areas.

            I think he'll be very valuable if he stays healthy. He looked extremely focused in the limited atbats he had last season and had that same wicked swing when he was actually putting up respectable numbers.

            .280, 30 2Bs, 20 HRs is what I think he'll put up, one of my early favorites for comeback player of the year.

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            • deeman11747
              G-M*nnnn
              • Feb 2003
              • 3194

              #156
              Re: Zito to...Giants!?

              Originally posted by nyisles16
              i would laugh to no end if he turns out like the last few pitchers who signed some big deals: Mike Hampton, Kevin Brown....


              it does sound a bit "Hampton-ish" when Zito says he would take winning a WS over money...
              Keep in mind that Brown was one of the most dominating pitchers in the league up until 2003. I think Giants fans would be thrlled to get pre-Yankee Brown like production from Zito.

              Anyways I'm interested to see if the market rights itself next year or if this will be the new norm for top free agents. Following the A-Rod, Jeter, and Manny deals 6 years ago, the market went back to what it was the following year, but with the outrageous contracts everyone's getting this year...I think by the time Santana is a free agent, he'll be getting over $20 million and by 2009, Zito's contract won't look so nuts anymore.

              Remember...money changes as time changes...which is why Reggie Jackson was only being paid $1 million 30 years ago...extreme example, I know, but those that are killing this contract need to remember this is what free agency has become. Relatively speaking, the Giants probably got a good deal out of this.

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              • sask3m
                Banned
                • Sep 2002
                • 2352

                #157
                Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                Originally posted by rsox
                If Ryan Klesko learns how to hit again you could see Rich Aurilia playing at 3B quite a bit and Feliz sitting on the bench.
                that could at least be an option when feliz goes into one of his prolonged slumps, esp. against tough righthanders, i thought that as he got older feliz might be able to lay off the outside pitch but he just doesn't seem to be able to.

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                • bkrich83
                  Has Been
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71582

                  #158
                  Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                  Originally posted by deeman11747
                  Keep in mind that Brown was one of the most dominating pitchers in the league up until 2003. I think Giants fans would be thrlled to get pre-Yankee Brown like production from Zito.

                  His last 2 or 3 years in LA he was anything but dominant.
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                  • dalnet22
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 770

                    #159
                    Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                    Originally posted by bkrich83
                    His last 2 or 3 years in LA he was anything but dominant.
                    Because a 2.39 era in 211 innings in 2003 isn't dominant. What Brown did in the steroid / ridiculous power era grants him a HOF mention in my book. He might fall short of a HOF pitcher, but he deserved the given contract.
                    Last edited by dalnet22; 12-30-2006, 02:50 PM.

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                    • roadman
                      *ll St*r
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 26339

                      #160
                      Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                      Originally posted by dalnet22
                      What Brown did in the steroid / ridiculous power era grants him a HOF mention in my book. He might fall short of a HOF pitcher, but he deserved the given contract.
                      89 victories short of a consideration of the HOF is a long way off in my book.

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                      • Pared
                        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 39337

                        #161
                        Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                        Originally posted by cjonesfan921
                        How so?
                        I'm not sure which part of my comment you're referring to, but it's terrible for baseball that there is absolutely no salary cap. I've said it time and time again out of all the things baseball does wrong, a non-existent salary cap is one of them. It will continue to fuel the fire that you will not be able to have a team that can truly compete unless you're throwing a disgusting amount of money around.

                        And before anyone says this, yes, the Mets are guilty of the same thing. I could care less in that retrospect, as I'm glad we at least have a front office that knows Zito isn't worth putting your franchise in the red for.
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                        • Pared
                          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 39337

                          #162
                          Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                          Originally posted by deeman11747
                          Keep in mind that Brown was one of the most dominating pitchers in the league up until 2003.
                          Is this some sort of rationalization, or maybe justification for one of the many overpaid busts the Stankee organization is relatively known for in this century?

                          Originally posted by deeman11747
                          ....Relatively speaking, the Giants probably got a good deal out of this.
                          That's just ridiculous. This guy would have to begin throwing like Satchel Page to justify this contract.
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                          • devilsjaw
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 3572

                            #163
                            Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                            Originally posted by bkrich83
                            His last 2 or 3 years in LA he was anything but dominant.
                            They must not have had the right type of "dirt" on their mound. :wink:

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                            • AI_Franchise
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2002
                              • 2146

                              #164
                              Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                              Originally posted by Pared
                              It will continue to fuel the fire that you will not be able to have a team that can truly compete unless you're throwing a disgusting amount of money around.
                              Exactly what MLB is doing. It's no secret. The Yankees alone are giving out more money in luxury tax than the league's cellar team's overall salary cap. With that money included, you could build something, if you're committed of course.

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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #165
                                Re: Zito to...Giants!?

                                Originally posted by AI_Franchise
                                Exactly what MLB is doing. It's no secret. The Yankees alone are giving out more money in luxury tax than the league's cellar team's overall salary cap. With that money included, you could build something, if you're committed of course.
                                Links to back up your claim? Not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to read it.

                                Either way, IIRC, doesn't that money get distributed evenly amongst all teams? That doesn't help the situation, as all it does is "stir the pot."
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