What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

**mnhert** · 02-11-2003, 09:57 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

The guy probably hit 30 or his 39 HR from pitches out of the strike zone. Did you even watch him play. There is no way this guy would be a great hitter if he was patient. He gets hits becuase he swings at everything. He isnt a patient wait for your pitch guy. he is everything is my pitch just hit guy. you know nothing about baseball if you dont know that. Star players have something unique about them. That is his uniquness

**mnhert** · 02-11-2003, 09:57 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

The guy probably hit 30 or his 39 HR from pitches out of the strike zone. Did you even watch him play. There is no way this guy would be a great hitter if he was patient. He gets hits becuase he swings at everything. He isnt a patient wait for your pitch guy. he is everything is my pitch just hit guy. you know nothing about baseball if you dont know that. Star players have something unique about them. That is his uniquness

**bkrich83** · 02-11-2003, 10:06 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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I never knocked George, but to say the Yankees don't have a competetive edge is purely naive.

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I never said they didn't.

All I said is that it took hardwork and smart business moves for the Yanks to gain that competitive edge.

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And being in the largest market in America didn't hurt either. Hey no knocking the Yankees, they are playing with in the rules, however I don't think what they are doing or the current MLB economic set up is good for baseball.

**bkrich83** · 02-11-2003, 10:06 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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I never knocked George, but to say the Yankees don't have a competetive edge is purely naive.

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I never said they didn't.

All I said is that it took hardwork and smart business moves for the Yanks to gain that competitive edge.

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And being in the largest market in America didn't hurt either. Hey no knocking the Yankees, they are playing with in the rules, however I don't think what they are doing or the current MLB economic set up is good for baseball.

**CMH** · 02-11-2003, 11:11 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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I never knocked George, but to say the Yankees don't have a competetive edge is purely naive.

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I never said they didn't.

All I said is that it took hardwork and smart business moves for the Yanks to gain that competitive edge.

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And being in the largest market in America didn't hurt either. Hey no knocking the Yankees, they are playing with in the rules, however I don't think what they are doing or the current MLB economic set up is good for baseball.

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I can't disagree with this entire statement.

**CMH** · 02-11-2003, 11:11 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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I never knocked George, but to say the Yankees don't have a competetive edge is purely naive.

<hr /></blockquote>

I never said they didn't.

All I said is that it took hardwork and smart business moves for the Yanks to gain that competitive edge.

<hr /></blockquote>

And being in the largest market in America didn't hurt either. Hey no knocking the Yankees, they are playing with in the rules, however I don't think what they are doing or the current MLB economic set up is good for baseball.

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I can't disagree with this entire statement.

**CMH** · 02-11-2003, 11:16 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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The guy probably hit 30 or his 39 HR from pitches out of the strike zone. Did you even watch him play. There is no way this guy would be a great hitter if he was patient. He gets hits becuase he swings at everything. He isnt a patient wait for your pitch guy. he is everything is my pitch just hit guy. you know nothing about baseball if you dont know that. Star players have something unique about them. That is his uniquness

I have to disagree.

Yes, Soriano hit a bunch of his homeruns on pitches out of the strike zone, but if you noticed his numbers in the second half dripped dramatically. It's gonna catch up with you. You can't rely on that type of approach to continue putting up big numbers.

A patient Soriano will only drive up the homerun numbers. If he can learn to wait for HIS pitch then we will all see his average, RBI, homeruns, walks, etc. go up. The guy has already proven to be a mistake hitter. If you leave a fat one over the plate, he's gonna crush it. He's also proven to be able to hit a pitch out of the zone (ala Vlad) but the second half was enough proof that you can't rely on that approach.

I see your argument, but if you knew anything about baseball then you would know that being patient is the most important thing when playing the game. Swingin at everything, especially in the Major League level, will have you either sent to AAA quickly or sitting in the bench.

**CMH** · 02-11-2003, 11:16 PM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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The guy probably hit 30 or his 39 HR from pitches out of the strike zone. Did you even watch him play. There is no way this guy would be a great hitter if he was patient. He gets hits becuase he swings at everything. He isnt a patient wait for your pitch guy. he is everything is my pitch just hit guy. you know nothing about baseball if you dont know that. Star players have something unique about them. That is his uniquness

I have to disagree.

Yes, Soriano hit a bunch of his homeruns on pitches out of the strike zone, but if you noticed his numbers in the second half dripped dramatically. It's gonna catch up with you. You can't rely on that type of approach to continue putting up big numbers.

A patient Soriano will only drive up the homerun numbers. If he can learn to wait for HIS pitch then we will all see his average, RBI, homeruns, walks, etc. go up. The guy has already proven to be a mistake hitter. If you leave a fat one over the plate, he's gonna crush it. He's also proven to be able to hit a pitch out of the zone (ala Vlad) but the second half was enough proof that you can't rely on that approach.

I see your argument, but if you knew anything about baseball then you would know that being patient is the most important thing when playing the game. Swingin at everything, especially in the Major League level, will have you either sent to AAA quickly or sitting in the bench.

**paulywerner** · 02-12-2003, 05:37 AM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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First of all it doesnt happen in football because there is a "hard" salary cap so there are no huge discrepncies in payroll. Second of all George no longer spends his own money on the team. He makes the decisions, but the money doesn't come out of his pocket. Third of all the Angels beat the Yankees in every aspect of the game. The Yankees didn't hand it to them. The Angels flat out bombed the Yankees pitching staff, they scored 9 runs a game in their 3 wins over the Yankees in the playoffs. And calling Angel fans, Mickey Mouse fans, and saying they will never win another title again just shows your bitterness. The Angels had a better team last year, live with it. ......

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First off, football doesnt have a "hard" salary cap, when teams can give $20 mil signing bonus'. Sencond of all, the Angels did win because they wanted it more than the Yanks last year, but running around an praising them for their championship is short lived. they beat a mediocre team in the twins, and outside of Bonds and Kent last season, the Giants were a fluke too. last year was one of the most lack luster and boring years since the strike in 94 imo, but regardless, guys like soriano, jeter. bernie, who all came up through the farm system, are always more deserving than some other players who get considered for awards.... I mean Bernie is probrably the most consistant player in the AL East for sure... every year he up around.320 or .330, 25-30 homers, 110-120 RBI's... but you never hear of him being considered for MVP.... His numbers werent much different in 2002 then was Ichiro's in 2001... Bernie didnt get any consideration last year for MVP... I think it was a shame that Tejada won the award, with the kind of numbers that soriano put up... i didnt see tejada stealing bases, i dont recall seeing tejada hustle out of the box on ground balls. I think this award full of it, because it should go to the most consistant guy who plays 110% everyday. Other than Soriano letting the pressure of the 40th homer get to him, i think he had by far the best season for any 2nd baseman in history... plus 100+rbi;s out of the lead off spot.... thats unheard of nowadays, because most teams dont have the talent to put players like him in the lead off spot.... but i guess you blame george for everyone elses problems too huh?

**paulywerner** · 02-12-2003, 05:37 AM

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First of all it doesnt happen in football because there is a "hard" salary cap so there are no huge discrepncies in payroll. Second of all George no longer spends his own money on the team. He makes the decisions, but the money doesn't come out of his pocket. Third of all the Angels beat the Yankees in every aspect of the game. The Yankees didn't hand it to them. The Angels flat out bombed the Yankees pitching staff, they scored 9 runs a game in their 3 wins over the Yankees in the playoffs. And calling Angel fans, Mickey Mouse fans, and saying they will never win another title again just shows your bitterness. The Angels had a better team last year, live with it. ......

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First off, football doesnt have a "hard" salary cap, when teams can give $20 mil signing bonus'. Sencond of all, the Angels did win because they wanted it more than the Yanks last year, but running around an praising them for their championship is short lived. they beat a mediocre team in the twins, and outside of Bonds and Kent last season, the Giants were a fluke too. last year was one of the most lack luster and boring years since the strike in 94 imo, but regardless, guys like soriano, jeter. bernie, who all came up through the farm system, are always more deserving than some other players who get considered for awards.... I mean Bernie is probrably the most consistant player in the AL East for sure... every year he up around.320 or .330, 25-30 homers, 110-120 RBI's... but you never hear of him being considered for MVP.... His numbers werent much different in 2002 then was Ichiro's in 2001... Bernie didnt get any consideration last year for MVP... I think it was a shame that Tejada won the award, with the kind of numbers that soriano put up... i didnt see tejada stealing bases, i dont recall seeing tejada hustle out of the box on ground balls. I think this award full of it, because it should go to the most consistant guy who plays 110% everyday. Other than Soriano letting the pressure of the 40th homer get to him, i think he had by far the best season for any 2nd baseman in history... plus 100+rbi;s out of the lead off spot.... thats unheard of nowadays, because most teams dont have the talent to put players like him in the lead off spot.... but i guess you blame george for everyone elses problems too huh?

**Badger_Fan** · 02-12-2003, 09:33 AM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

It is ridiculous to say that the Yankees haven't taken advantage of their situation to add a few rings to the collection. Yes, they have some home grown talent. Jeter, Williams, Posada, Pettite, and Rivera are all great players. At the same time, someone said that they got some of the other players not through free agency, but through trades. The only reason other teams are trading those players is because they can't afford them. And teams like the Twins and A's aren't going after them in trades because they can't afford them either. Picking up Clemens, Weaver, Wells, Mondesi, etc. in trades is only going to happen because they have the financial wherewithal to pay them.

Have the Yankees made good decisions on who to sign? Yes. But have they been able to take advantage of a really bad financial situation in baseball? Undoubtedly. They signed Contreras this offseason not because they needed another starting pitcher, but because they didn't want him to sign with Boston. That is taking advantage of their financial advantage.

And you might think that last year was "lackluster", but the playoffs were more entertaining than any in recent memory. The Angels beat the Yankees badly, and the Yankees had the best record in baseball. They beat the Twins, who, if they are mediocre, are the best mediocre team I've ever seen. The playoffs were wonderful, unless you had a hard time watching them through your pinstripe-tinted glasses.

**Badger_Fan** · 02-12-2003, 09:33 AM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

It is ridiculous to say that the Yankees haven't taken advantage of their situation to add a few rings to the collection. Yes, they have some home grown talent. Jeter, Williams, Posada, Pettite, and Rivera are all great players. At the same time, someone said that they got some of the other players not through free agency, but through trades. The only reason other teams are trading those players is because they can't afford them. And teams like the Twins and A's aren't going after them in trades because they can't afford them either. Picking up Clemens, Weaver, Wells, Mondesi, etc. in trades is only going to happen because they have the financial wherewithal to pay them.

Have the Yankees made good decisions on who to sign? Yes. But have they been able to take advantage of a really bad financial situation in baseball? Undoubtedly. They signed Contreras this offseason not because they needed another starting pitcher, but because they didn't want him to sign with Boston. That is taking advantage of their financial advantage.

And you might think that last year was "lackluster", but the playoffs were more entertaining than any in recent memory. The Angels beat the Yankees badly, and the Yankees had the best record in baseball. They beat the Twins, who, if they are mediocre, are the best mediocre team I've ever seen. The playoffs were wonderful, unless you had a hard time watching them through your pinstripe-tinted glasses.

**CMH** · 02-12-2003, 11:24 AM

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Picking up Clemens, Weaver, Wells, Mondesi, etc. in trades is only going to happen because they have the financial wherewithal to pay them.

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I'm not tryin to say you are completely wrong but I find it funny that:

Houston was heavily interested in Clemens. They just didnt finish off the deal.

Wells was signed, not traded. And at the time I don't think many teams cared much for Wells.

Weaver and Mondesi were acquired last year. The Yanks were ousted in the first round. They had nothing to do with a ring.

If you wanna talk about trades helping the Yanks, then talk about: Cecil Fielder, David Cone, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius, etc.

**CMH** · 02-12-2003, 11:24 AM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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Picking up Clemens, Weaver, Wells, Mondesi, etc. in trades is only going to happen because they have the financial wherewithal to pay them.

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I'm not tryin to say you are completely wrong but I find it funny that:

Houston was heavily interested in Clemens. They just didnt finish off the deal.

Wells was signed, not traded. And at the time I don't think many teams cared much for Wells.

Weaver and Mondesi were acquired last year. The Yanks were ousted in the first round. They had nothing to do with a ring.

If you wanna talk about trades helping the Yanks, then talk about: Cecil Fielder, David Cone, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius, etc.

**Blaise** · 02-12-2003, 11:30 AM

Re: What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

I know this is off topic, but

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Football doesnt have a hard salary cap???

<hr /></blockquote> WTF are u talking about?

FB is the ONLY sport with a hard cap. Can you give a 20 mil signing bonus in the NFL, sure, but it will be prorated for the life of the contract. There is no luxury cap because your not allowed to go over the cap for the current after March 1. During the season, no team is over the current cap, but you can, and most teams are over th cap for the next yr. And there are sizeable differences in payroll, if there wasnt, explain to me how the Cards are going into this season roughly 40 under the $75mil cap, and the Raiders are almost $40mil over. The reason it doesnt seem that way is because every team starts with and can finish with $75(last yr it was 73.9), unlike BB, where most teams(mostly small market) "lose" money and r on tight budgets.

What a joke Soriano better than Ichiro !

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