most overrated player

[dieselboy]

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Soriano did lead the league in OF assists last year. I think the guy is actually playing a pretty good outfield for only being out there for a little over a year. I agree he doesn't have any discipline at the plate. Tell me another 30/30 player that hits over .300. I personally think the guy is overrated but only because he got paid more money than he's actually worth. Saying Soriano is overrated is a bit harsh coming from a man thats defending Richie Sexson.

First of all, the reason he had so many last year was because the Nationals gave up 10 runs a game. Plus, teams were testing his OF ability, and ran on him a lot.

Another 30/30 player who hits .300? Soriano doesn't hit over .300! He has a career OBP of .326, and a batting average of .280.

How is Richie Sexson overrated? No one thinks he is that good.

[NYJets]

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It's actually pretty easy when the media tries to play him off as one of the greatest players ever. When in reality he shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Great player? Absolutely.

One of the best ever? Not even close.

You guys must be watching/listening/reading a different media than me.

Who has said he's one of the greatest players ever?

[ZM Punk]

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First of all, the reason he had so many last year was because the Nationals gave up 10 runs a game. Plus, teams were testing his OF ability, and ran on him a lot.

Another 30/30 player who hits .300? Soriano doesn't hit over .300! He has a career OBP of .326, and a batting average of .280.

How is Richie Sexson overrated? No one thinks he is that good.

Thats what I'm saying. Nobody else with that kind of speed and power hits .300 so whats the big deal if Soriano doesn't. The dude makes up for it with his speed and power.

[ZM Punk]

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You guys must be watching/listening/reading a different media than me.

Who has said he's one of the greatest players ever?

I don't know if anyone has actually came out and said it. But he sure does get the media attention like he's one of the greatest.

Like I said in the last post. I think he's a heck of a player. The media has just taken it to the extreme because he plays for the greatest franchise in Pro sports. Which happens to be located in the media capitol of the world.

[snepp]

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The dude has a very strong and accurate arm. Remember he came up as a shortstop.

I'm not denying that he's got a quality arm, just playing devil's advocate a bit on the quality of OF assists as an indicator of defensive ability.

[NYJets]

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He gets a lot of attention because he is a great player and is going to be a first ballot hall of famer.

But I don't see anyone saying he is a Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, etc. type player.

[ZM Punk]

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I'm not denying that he's got a quality arm, just playing devil's advocate a bit on the quality of OF assists as an indicator of defensive ability.

I agree that it's not a great indicator of great defensive ability.

I just don't see how someone could say Soriano is a horrible defensive OF when in all honesty, he has actually played pretty well out there. Considering the lack of games he has actually played in the OF. While also playing this year in the wind tunnel known as Wrigley Field.

[ehh]

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One of the best ever? Not even close.

Right now you could argue he's not, but when it's all said and done he will be one of the best SS's and it won't even be close.

Career .318 hitter, should finish with over 3,000 hits, 400 SB's, 2,000 runs scored, 300 homers, at least 3 Gold Gloves, 4 World Series rings, 600 doubles.

You're gonna be challenged to find a lot of short stops with better numbers than that.

And dare I say it, if he stays healthy (he hasn't missed in significant time in his career besides the freak accident w. his shoulder in TOR) and can make the move to first base later in his career, Jeter has a decent shot at breaking Pete Rose's all time hit record. Once that time roles around people will be singing a different tune. Even if he doesn't, he should get at least 3,500 hits which would put him in the Top 6 for lifetime hits.

[ZM Punk]

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Right now you could argue he's not, but when it's all said and done he will be one of the best SS's and it won't even be close.

Career .318 hitter, should finish with over 3,000 hits, 400 SB's, 2,000 runs scored, 300 homers, at least 3 Gold Gloves, 4 World Series rings, 600 doubles.

You're gonna be challenged to find a lot of short stops with better numbers than that.

And dare I say it, if he stays healthy (he hasn't missed in significant time in his career besides the freak accident w. his shoulder in TOR) and can make the move to first base later in his career, Jeter has a decent shot at breaking Pete Rose's all time hit record. Once that time roles around people will be singing a different tune. Even if he doesn't, he should get at least 3,500 hits which would put him in the Top 6 for lifetime hits.

The dude got the three Gold Gloves because of who he is. He isn't even the best defensive SS on his team. I don't ever think the dude will sniff Rose's hit record. Runs totals are inflated because of the Yankees lineups.

I definitely think he will end up being one of the top 10 Short Stops of all time, but thats different from being one of the all time best players period.

[Chip Douglass]

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Andrew Jones, Barry Zito.

[NYJets]

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The only part of Jeter's game that is overrated is his defense.

Though I don't think he is a terrible defensive player like some say, I'd say he's about a average defensive player.

And I guess the question is, what do you mean by "one of the greatest players of all time." Top 5? Top 20? Top 50?

[ZM Punk]

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The only part of Jeter's game that is overrated is his defense.

Though I don't think he is a terrible defensive player like some say, I'd say he's about a average defensive player.

And I guess the question is, what do you mean by "one of the greatest players of all time." Top 5? Top 20? Top 50?

What I consider the G.O.A.T is like the top 10 or 20 players ever. Guys like Ruth, Mayes, Josh Gibson, ect.

Like I said in a previous post I think he is a hell of a player.

[ehh]

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Runs totals are inflated because of the Yankees lineups.

You can't start making arguments like that because it opens a Pandora's box for every other player who set a record. You can go back through history and make a statement like that for nearly every record holder of significance.

So and so played in a hitter's era, played in a weak division or weak league, had a diesel lineup to protect him, etc.

I'll give you the defensive argument because even I think he's an overrated defender, but how many others have won GG's just because of their name? Jeter isn't the first and he won't be the last. And even throwing out Rose's record, the rest of his career stats will be extremely impressive.

Plus I didn't mention all the post season records, but I suppose he only has all of those because of the Yankee teams he played on.

Anyway, I agree w. Jets that I've never seen any analysts mention him as one of the best overall ballplayers of all time.

[Saber]

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Juan Pierre

[The GIGGAS]

Re: most overrated player

Right now, Barry Bonds.