It's Girardi......

[CMH]

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So, Don Mattingly with one year of bench coach and 2 (or 3, it's late, LOL) is not qualified to manage? Girardi was a bench coach for one year and then managed for one year. I think people make too much of Girardi's "experience" or Mattingly's lack thereof. They were both good candidates and either can do this job well. Mattingly's persona may have been better than Girardi's, but we'll see. I mean Girardi did manage to get fired while winning the MOY award. NY is alot tougher than Florida. Don't get me wrong, I like Girardi, but I don't think its a slam dunk choice like others.

Agreed about Posada. Although he getting up there in age and we probably saw his last great season, there are really no alternatives out there at all...zero.

I don't think Mattingly was qualified but it's not for the same reasons many have been saying.

Experience means crap to me. I think it's a bunch of b.s. when people use it to describe a player and manager. If you're good, you're good.

And there's why I think Mattingly didn't qualify. I don't think he's any good. I never really felt like he was a teacher. I always got this impression from Girardi that he understood the game and to me he has the attitude to be a solid manager.

I feel like Don Mattingly would have been way over his head and wouldn't know how to be an authority figure. I also take it that a guy like Posada didn't like Girardi has bench coach because Girardi A) Knows how to be authoritative and B) Posada was not comfortable with him being his authority figure.

Mattingly commands respect because he's Don Mattingly. Girardi demands respect because he demands it. I prefer the latter because I think the Yankees need a kick.

[elicoleman]

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I like the choice. I hope he can light a fire under these guys this year.

[MassNole]

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They just reported on Mike and Mike in the Morning that the deal is finalized.
Great pickup for the Yankees, this is a huge upgrade from Torre.

[Stu]

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They just reported on Mike and Mike in the Morning that the deal is finalized.
Great pickup for the Yankees, this is a huge upgrade from Torre.

How so? Girardi has managed for 1 year and got fired (more about personality clashing than his actual performance). Not sure where people are getting the idea that he's some kind of HOF manager.

[MassNole]

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How so? Girardi has managed for 1 year and got fired (more about personality clashing than his actual performance). Not sure where people are getting the idea that he's some kind of HOF manager.

Because Torre was the most overrated manager in baseball history, bar absolutely none.

[ehh]

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How so? Girardi has managed for 1 year and got fired (more about personality clashing than his actual performance). Not sure where people are getting the idea that he's some kind of HOF manager.

I don't think it's a huge upgrade in terms of strategic ability, although I do think Torre slipped a bit in the last 5 years. A lot of Yankee fans and media feel that Torre got too close to his players around 2000-2001. With Girardi it'll be nice to have a manager who isn't buddy-buddy with all the players.

[Gary Armida]

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How so? Girardi has managed for 1 year and got fired (more about personality clashing than his actual performance). Not sure where people are getting the idea that he's some kind of HOF manager.

I agree. I like this choice, but he has only managed for one year and got fired after that in a non-media market. I like Joe Girardi, he was one of my favorite Yankees during the run because he played the game smartly. But, let's not make him out as the 2nd coming. There is just as much risk with him as there would be with Don Mattingly.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Because Torre was the most overrated manager in baseball history, bar absolutely none.

Yeah sure. By that logic you could say that Phil Jackson is the most overrated basketball coach of all time. He had great talent. What manger in the game today is better than Joe?

[Sandman42]

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Because Torre was the most overrated manager in baseball history, bar absolutely none.

Tony LaRussa

[rubisco43]

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Managers are only as good as his players. They take too much credit for wins, and too much criticism for losses.

[MassNole]

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Yeah sure. By that logic you could say that Phil Jackson is the most overrated basketball coach of all time. He had great talent. What manger in the game today is better than Joe?

Lets see, when Torre has talent that pretty much any idiot could win with, he wins. When he has talent that is on par with other elite teams, he doesn't win. I am sure it is just one big coincidence though right? When they were winning titles the Yankees had an absurd talent level, so of course his decisions look great when he has the talent to execute.

What managers are better than Torre today? A whole helluva a lot.

Tony LaRussa

He has turned multiple teams into champions, that makes sense.

[fugazi]

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Lets see, when Torre has talent that pretty much any idiot could win with, he wins. When he has talent that is on par with other elite teams, he doesn't win. I am sure it is just one big coincidence though right? When they were winning titles the Yankees had an absurd talent level, so of course his decisions look great when he has the talent to execute.

What managers are better than Torre today? A whole helluva a lot.

I am no yankee fan, but I thought they won titles with guys like Oneill, Brosius, Leyritz, etc...these guys were not scrubs, but they weren't "the talent" you are talking about...

Further, they haven't really won anything since Unit, Giambi, ARod, Abreu, etc. came over...

EDIT: Cubs should have hired Girardi last season.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Lets see, when Torre has talent that pretty much any idiot could win with, he wins. When he has talent that is on par with other elite teams, he doesn't win. I am sure it is just one big coincidence though right? When they were winning titles the Yankees had an absurd talent level, so of course his decisions look great when he has the talent to execute.

What managers are better than Torre today? A whole helluva a lot.



He has turned multiple teams into champions, that makes sense.

He has fallen off the last coupe years. I'll admit that. He has become to close to his players. He relies on his vets to much in key spots. But what manager doesn't win with talent? It's not like Joe had a freeking all star team when he won his World Series. As a matter of face, once they went to their all star team mentality, we stopped winning.

Phil won his championships with the best player of all time. He won his other titles with two of the best of all time. How does that not make sense?

[MassNole]

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I didn't say Jackson wasn't overrated. In addition to having MJ/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe he also had the NBA refs on his side, he certainly is not the premier coach in league history that people like to believe he is.

As for Torre, off the very top of my head, I'd put Terry Francona ahead of him, as well as Eric Wedge and Clint Hurdle. When he's on his meds, I'd give a similar nod to Ozzie Guillen. All of them, save Francona, won with young players or limited talent at their disposal. That is something Torre has never done, if Torre was that good he wouldn't have been fired by the Mets, Braves, and Cardinals.

[Porschebenz2001]

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Wedge and Hurdle had limited talent? Hurdle had an incredible lineup and the best defense in baseball all year. He has the MVP and ROY on his team. Wedge had two of the best starters in all of baseball, if not the best. There bullpen was phenomenal.

I do agree with you on Phil though.