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  • jujuhound
    MVP
    • Oct 2002
    • 1040

    #76
    Re: Bonds Indicted!

    Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
    So since evidence has come up to show it wasn't crucial, they lied.

    Ergo, perjury.

    Evidently, it wasn't necessary to put a man in jail for a year or so in order for him to get them to convict a man for what amounts to drug use & lying.

    Why you can't see the lie in that, I don't know.
    This is the most misguided attempt at logic that I have ever seen. You should quit while you're behind.

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    • jujuhound
      MVP
      • Oct 2002
      • 1040

      #77
      Re: Bonds Indicted!

      Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
      I'll ignore you calling me ********.....

      Anderson's choice is irrelevant in my point. The prosecution's claim is the issue. The orthodox church burned people @ the stake for claiming the earth wasn't the center of the universe because they thought it was @ the time. Didn't mean it still wasn't a lie. The prosecution claimed they couldn't proceed w/out Anderson's testimony. Obviously, they could. Thus, LIE.
      Oops. You posted again before you could quit. It seems you have a basic misunderstanding of the word lie. I'll help you out.

      "A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement with the intention to deceive, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, or to avoid punishment."

      If you don't know something is incorrect when you say it, you are not telling a lie. It's called being wrong, incorrect, perhaps stupid.

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      • The 24th Letter
        ERA
        • Oct 2007
        • 39373

        #78
        Re: Bonds Indicted!

        Originally posted by snepp
        May I remind you this is a federal indictment.
        ahh I see

        murder < lying on the stand
        what was I thinking!!!???

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        • Vince
          Bow for Bau
          • Aug 2002
          • 26017

          #79
          Re: Bonds Indicted!

          Originally posted by TJdaSportsGuy
          This isn't about arresting someone. He's been indicted. That's a heck of a lot worse. The United States judicial system doesn't indict someone on a whim. They've been investigating this case for four years. Chances are they have enough hard evidence to convict him or get a plea deal out of him. They have DNA proof he took these drugs, for crying out loud.
          Which means?

          Nothing since they are after him for alledgedly lying about him unknowingly taking 'roids. Honestly, this will be tough to prove. I doubt they actually have anything new on him.
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          • ComfortablyLomb
            MVP
            • Sep 2003
            • 3548

            #80
            Re: Bonds Indicted!

            Originally posted by The 24th Letter
            ahh I see

            murder < lying on the stand
            what was I thinking!!!???
            What are you talking about? A federal indictment tends to carry with it the reputation of being serious because the feds tend not to indict unless they really think they can convict. Paraphrasing what one of the fatheads on ESPN said today, you could indict a ham sandwich but the feds wouldn't unless they actually thought they had a real firm case.

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            • snepp
              We'll waste him too.
              • Apr 2003
              • 10007

              #81
              Re: Bonds Indicted!

              Originally posted by ComfortablyLomb
              What are you talking about? A federal indictment tends to carry with it the reputation of being serious because the feds tend not to indict unless they really think they can convict. Paraphrasing what one of the fatheads on ESPN said today, you could indict a ham sandwich but the feds wouldn't unless they actually thought they had a real firm case.
              Precisely.
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              • Freelance
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 7021

                #82
                Re: Bonds Indicted!

                So Bonds took steroids afterall, and lied about it?

                You've GOT to be kidding me. I would've never guessed.

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                • Freelance
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 7021

                  #83
                  Re: Bonds Indicted!

                  I have a HUGE problem with Bonds on this.

                  I also have a huge problem with Major League Baseball for fostering this and not doing anything about it during the McGwire/Sosa chase, when you know damn good and well they were aware it was going on.

                  Baseball is such a joke. Lopsided salary system which basically semi-fixes the league, ignoring steroids, pandering to the likes of Fidel Castro, etc.

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                  • DrJones
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 9109

                    #84
                    Re: Bonds Indicted!

                    Originally posted by Freelance
                    I have a HUGE problem with Bonds on this.

                    I also have a huge problem with Major League Baseball for fostering this and not doing anything about it during the McGwire/Sosa chase, when you know damn good and well they were aware it was going on.

                    Baseball is such a joke. Lopsided salary system which basically semi-fixes the league, ignoring steroids, pandering to the likes of Fidel Castro, etc.
                    But that's the beauty of it. Revenues and attendance are at all-time highs. Baseball fans have said, "You know what? We know Bonds and a lot of other stars have cheated. And we don't care."

                    If similar revelations had come out in the mid-90's, on the heels of the '94 strike, then yes, I believe baseball's popularity could've taken a serious hit. But MLB's bulletproof now.
                    Originally posted by Thrash13
                    Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                    Originally posted by slickdtc
                    DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                    Originally posted by Kipnis22
                    yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                    • Lintyfresh85
                      Where have I been?
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 17492

                      #85
                      Re: Bonds Indicted!

                      Originally posted by DrJones
                      But that's the beauty of it. Revenues and attendance are at all-time highs. Baseball fans have said, "You know what? We know Bonds and a lot of other stars have cheated. And we don't care."

                      If similar revelations had come out in the mid-90's, on the heels of the '94 strike, then yes, I believe baseball's popularity could've taken a serious hit. But MLB's bulletproof now.
                      Agreed... as unethical as it was, Baseball had to build itself back up somehow...

                      Now that it's at an all time high, its time to clean up the mess they made. It's as simple as that.

                      Baseball cheated to get ahead, but I'm not upset about it as long as they clean it up for good in the coming years. Baseball is the sport I love, and that's why I'm glad they did what they had to, to survive... I would have been crushed if Baseball had become the NHL.
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                      Hell, I shot my grandmother, cuz she was old.

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                      • SemperVictoria
                        Pro
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 605

                        #86
                        Re: Bonds Indicted!

                        Originally posted by Freelance
                        I have a HUGE problem with Bonds on this.

                        I also have a huge problem with Major League Baseball for fostering this and not doing anything about it during the McGwire/Sosa chase, when you know damn good and well they were aware it was going on.

                        Baseball is such a joke. Lopsided salary system which basically semi-fixes the league, ignoring steroids, pandering to the likes of Fidel Castro, etc.
                        Agreed. I think Bonds is the Sacrificial Lamb of MLB. I know he’s a prick. I know he’s guilty. I know he perjured himself. But come on—doing prison time? MLB knew all these cats were dong roids—but ratings were up, so they ignored it. Now, since it’s PC to nail these guys, they go after Bonds who isn’t really liked by anyone. He’s an easy and convenient target.

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                        • J0nnD0ugh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 16602

                          #87
                          Re: Bonds Indicted!

                          Originally posted by jujuhound
                          Oops. You posted again before you could quit. It seems you have a basic misunderstanding of the word lie. I'll help you out.

                          "A lie is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement with the intention to deceive, often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, or to avoid punishment."

                          If you don't know something is incorrect when you say it, you are not telling a lie. It's called being wrong, incorrect, perhaps stupid.
                          1. deception - they said they couldn't proceed when they had every intention to.

                          2. untruthful - they said he has essential information when he evidently didn't.

                          3. How could they not know that claim wasn't correct when they are the ones doing the investigating?

                          The logic is not flawed. You may not be upset w/the feds. You may be glad Bonds is indicted. But you can't deny that the prosecutors lied in court.

                          And since you like dictionary definitions: "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker"; "something that misleads or deceives"; "to create a false or misleading impression"

                          What the prosecution did meets your & Webster's definitions.
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                          • Lintyfresh85
                            Where have I been?
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 17492

                            #88
                            Re: Bonds Indicted!

                            Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                            1. deception - they said they couldn't proceed when they had every intention to.

                            2. untruthful - they said he has essential information when he evidently didn't.

                            3. How could they not know that claim wasn't correct when they are the ones doing the investigating?

                            The logic is not flawed. You may not be upset w/the feds. You may be glad Bonds is indicted. But you can't deny that the prosecutors lied in court.

                            And since you like dictionary definitions: "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker"; "something that misleads or deceives"; "to create a false or misleading impression"

                            What the prosecution did meets your & Webster's definitions.
                            You really couldn't be more wrong... but it's pretty obvious that no matter how many people tell you that you're wrong, you just won't listen.
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                            Originally posted by trobinson97
                            Hell, I shot my grandmother, cuz she was old.

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                            • Skerik
                              Living in this tube
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 5215

                              #89
                              Re: Bonds Indicted!

                              Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                              1. deception - they said they couldn't proceed when they had every intention to.

                              2. untruthful - they said he has essential information when he evidently didn't.

                              3. How could they not know that claim wasn't correct when they are the ones doing the investigating?

                              The logic is not flawed. You may not be upset w/the feds. You may be glad Bonds is indicted. But you can't deny that the prosecutors lied in court.

                              And since you like dictionary definitions: "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker"; "something that misleads or deceives"; "to create a false or misleading impression"

                              What the prosecution did meets your & Webster's definitions.
                              Comical. Here's hoping you're in no way involved in our legal system.
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                              Dash: [muttering] Which is another way of saying no one is.

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                              • TheMatrix31
                                RF
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 52927

                                #90
                                Re: Bonds Indicted!

                                Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't Bonds facing the jail time for perjury and not the steroid use itself?

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