Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[Sandman42]

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How was this better than what the Yankees offered?

[dust247]

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I thought that article was just posted, but after reading the comments on that link, it was posted around 4PM EST. So nothing new. The Angels need to freak out on losing Cabrera and go after Santana (that would be the cool thing to do, and in today's world being "cool" is all that matters, right?).

[CS10029]

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I dont really believe it until I see it on ESPN. As sad as that is.

[snepp]

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How was this better than what the Yankees offered?

You mean the Hughes/crap/crappier offer?


I think both suck. It's either "Hughes + ****" or "quantity over quality".

[snepp]

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Here's something fresh, albeit nothing new.

http://nc.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=287

One of my hard-to-get but reliable sources told me around 7:20 p.m. that the teams were still haggling over names.

[Beantown]

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Yeah, I won't believe anything until Stark and Gammons both report it.

[VidGaminMachine476]

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No way can that trade go through.

Coco Crisp either must have some nude photos of the Twins GM or something because the Twins seem SO insistent on getting him.

[cjonesfan921]

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I think Yankees get him, the Yankees have offered the best deal. Twins are out of their mind to accept that Sox deal.

[GBrushTWood]

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Coco Crisp either must have some nude photos of the Twins GM or something because the Twins seem SO insistent on getting him.

Not really. They have a hole in centerfield. They already have holes in the starting rotation, even before moving Santana (Silva, Garza).

Crisp + Lester helps solve these problems. Ellsbury + Masteron + Lowry + whomever else doesn't address the starting rotation as much.

I'm not sure why there is so much Coco Crisp hate. Yes, he's not a great hitter, but I would say he's one of the top 3 or 4 defensive center fielders in baseball. He's also a solid base stealer. He's not a great bat, but he is certainly not a lousy player by any means. A lot of the frustration pointed towards him by Red Sox fans is because he struggled in clutch situations and Ellsbury progressed so quickly.

[Misfit]

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I think the offer is better than the one offerred by the Yankees. Before Lester got cancer, he was the number 1 prospect in the organization (higher than Papelbon, higher than Ellsbury, higher than Buchholz) and has a career record of 11-2 in just 26 starts. His K/9 ratio last year was a solid 7.14 and his velocity was getting stronger as the year went on (when he was sick, he was topping out around 89-90, last year he was consistently 90-91 and hitting as high as 94). He's also a lefty with a great pickoff move who has a good arsenal of pitches. What has Hughes done to make himself so much better than Lester that he can be packaged with two non-starters for Santana? I'm personally not high on Masterson, but a lot of people more important than me are and there are also plenty of people who think Lowry is an everyday infielder. If the Yankees want Santana alls they have to do is toss in Kennedy. Then they're giving up two pitchers who have nothing going for them but potential for a proven Cy Young award winner. I certainly won't feel bad for them if they end up missing out.

ESPN and the Globe haven't reported on anything since 6:30 as it relates to Santana so clearly nothing is done. The Twins may not be so eager to accept this package and may make a last ditch effort to get the Sox to add Ellsbury (though maybe him hooking up with Boras today made him unattractive) to the mix. I wouldn't blame them. They need to make sure they get the best package possible for this guy.

[ckarlic]

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Pretty sad if a middle of the rotation guy ends up being the headliner.

Should have taken what the Yankees offered and be done with all this mess

[NYJets]

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I think the offer is better than the one offerred by the Yankees. Before Lester got cancer, he was the number 1 prospect in the organization (higher than Papelbon, higher than Ellsbury, higher than Buchholz) and has a career record of 11-2 in just 26 starts. His K/9 ratio last year was a solid 7.14 and his velocity was getting stronger as the year went on (when he was sick, he was topping out around 89-90, last year he was consistently 90-91 and hitting as high as 94). He's also a lefty with a great pickoff move who has a good arsenal of pitches. What has Hughes done to make himself so much better than Lester that he can be packaged with two non-starters for Santana? I'm personally not high on Masterson, but a lot of people more important than me are and there are also plenty of people who think Lowry is an everyday infielder. If the Yankees want Santana alls they have to do is toss in Kennedy. Then they're giving up two pitchers who have nothing going for them but potential for a proven Cy Young award winner. I certainly won't feel bad for them if they end up missing out.

ESPN and the Globe haven't reported on anything since 6:30 as it relates to Santana so clearly nothing is done. The Twins may not be so eager to accept this package and may make a last ditch effort to get the Sox to add Ellsbury (though maybe him hooking up with Boras today made him unattractive) to the mix. I wouldn't blame them. They need to make sure they get the best package possible for this guy.

Well, just about anyone who evaluates prospects agrees that Hughes is a better prospect than Lester.

If you don't think that means anything, Hughes had a better season in the majors last year than Lester has had in either of his seasons. Hughes had a better era, better K rate, better walk rate, baa, and basically every stat that matters last year than Lester did in 06 or 07. Lester pitched excellent in the world series, but Hughes didn't exactly get knocked around in the playoffs, coming out of the pen to keep the Yankees alive against Cleveland.

Melky was a starter last year for the Yankees. He's been as good or a better hitter than Crisp, he's younger, and he's cheaper. He's not as good of a fielder, but he's not exactly bad either. If Melky gets categorized as a non starter, you could do the same for Crisp too.

[cjonesfan921]

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How is Melky a non-starter? He is average defense but a very good bat. And like Jets said Hughes has much more potential then Lester, it isn't even close. I can't believe the Twins.

[GBrushTWood]

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Yea I have to agree with the Yankees fans here. The separate respective packages led by Lester or Ellsbury don't match up a lot better than what the Yanks have rumored to offer.
Maybe the Twins got pissed of by dealing with Hank Steinbrenner? I don't know. There has to be a reason why the Red Sox are still in this when the Yankees evidently are not AND without giving up both Ellsbury and Lester.

[ckarlic]

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On paper with Santana added to the Sox rotation they would look unbelievable. But no matter how good a player is the one thing that players are not immune to are injuries. A lot could happen in the spring and even during the regular season that could completely change the outcome and feelings of a particular trade or even the season. Not saying that it will happen but my point is is that in baseball, in this day and age, anyone can win. We will have to wait and see what happens.

Being a Yankees fan i know damn well that games arent won on paper. They are won between the lines and on the field. A good example is the MNF game with the Patriots barely beating the Ravens. On paper, they should have run all over the Ravens but look what happened.