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  • spyder23
    Rookie
    • Apr 2003
    • 169

    #241
    Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

    Originally posted by Lintyfresh85
    Can you post in a civil manner?
    Oh yes b/c his board is just full of civil posters.

    Too bad people have to downgrade others for having an opinion on here. All I said was I'm glad Hank gave the Twins a deadline. Mr. Twins fan got his feelings hurt and had to respond in the usual blabber about Yankee fans.

    Goes both ways you know.

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #242
      Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

      Originally posted by bergie56
      I also remember hearing a lot about Melky coming up, but I haven't heard anything since then.
      That was probably when Melky was a AA "star" coming off a .288 season with 51 RBI in 81 games while in A ball and was promoted to the Majors.

      Talk was big because it was ridiculous for the Yankees to have this young 20 year old take over at Centerfield. And he clearly wasn't ready as he made several mistakes on the field.

      But Cabrera has definitely grown since that first call up. It's really hard to say anything negative about him when he's had now two full seasons of baseball to prove his worth. After hitting .280 in 2006 it seemed like everyone was saying he couldn't possibly repeat that and yet he hit .273 last year in 150 games.

      And I'm one of the few Yankee fans that doesn't ride his jock. To me Cabrera will forever be a 4th outfielder. I don't just think he's reached his potential. I know it.

      But, you can't ignore what his numbers are and that's still better than a good number of starting OF's in the league.
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      • bergie56
        T*rg*t F**ld
        • Mar 2004
        • 3984

        #243
        Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

        Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
        That was probably when Melky was a AA "star" coming off a .288 season with 51 RBI in 81 games while in A ball and was promoted to the Majors.

        Talk was big because it was ridiculous for the Yankees to have this young 20 year old take over at Centerfield. And he clearly wasn't ready as he made several mistakes on the field.

        But Cabrera has definitely grown since that first call up. It's really hard to say anything negative about him when he's had now two full seasons of baseball to prove his worth. After hitting .280 in 2006 it seemed like everyone was saying he couldn't possibly repeat that and yet he hit .273 last year in 150 games.

        And I'm one of the few Yankee fans that doesn't ride his jock. To me Cabrera will forever be a 4th outfielder. I don't just think he's reached his potential. I know it.

        But, you can't ignore what his numbers are and that's still better than a good number of starting OF's in the league.
        I can't say too much, but I would obviously like it if he was the 3rd best player in a trade for Johan. He is better than any other CF'er that we currently have.

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        • Lintyfresh85
          Where have I been?
          • Jul 2002
          • 17492

          #244
          Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

          Originally posted by YankeePride_YP
          How can a overhyped player not meet expectations?
          See Phillips, Brandon

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          • bergie56
            T*rg*t F**ld
            • Mar 2004
            • 3984

            #245
            Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

            Originally posted by spyder23
            Oh yes b/c his board is just full of civil posters.

            Too bad people have to downgrade others for having an opinion on here. All I said was I'm glad Hank gave the Twins a deadline. Mr. Twins fan got his feelings hurt and had to respond in the usual blabber about Yankee fans.

            Goes both ways you know.
            I am not trying to downgrade you at all. I honestly thought your post was kind of funny. I just fail to see how you can fault Bill Smith for doing exactly what Hank is trying to do by giving his ultimatum. Both are trying to get the best deal possible. I really don't see the Yankees being stupid enough to remove themselves from getting Santana because of some arbitrary deadline.

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            • NYJets
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jul 2002
              • 18637

              #246
              Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

              Originally posted by bergie56
              I think that what Dust is trying to say is that he is annoyed the Melky Cabrera is the 2nd biggest piece to this trade so far. I also remember hearing a lot about Melky coming up, but I haven't heard anything since then.

              I understand that, but that has nothing to do with whether Melky is overhyped or not, that has to do with the players being offered.
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              • NYJets
                Hall Of Fame
                • Jul 2002
                • 18637

                #247
                Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                The thing that's stupid about the deadline, is nobody is going to believe it. If the Yankees are willing to trade Hughes, Melky, and whoever else now, they'll still be willing to do it in 2 weeks. The only way this could be effective is if there was another ace on the market that they realistically could get, and that's not the case. Nothing is going to change all offseason.
                Originally posted by Jay Bilas
                The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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                • Mr.Burns
                  Rookie
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 381

                  #248
                  Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                  Have you heard? Andy Pettitte is coming back. Link
                  So trading for Santana just became less important, but I'd still love for it to happen. As for Melky and comparing his arm to Ichiro, that's actually not that far-fetched. He does have a strong arm.
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                  • ckarlic
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                    • May 2003
                    • 4999

                    #249
                    Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                    Originally posted by Mr.Burns
                    Have you heard? Andy Pettitte is coming back. Link
                    So trading for Santana just became less important, but I'd still love for it to happen. As for Melky and comparing his arm to Ichiro, that's actually not that far-fetched. He does have a strong arm.
                    Yeah i just read that. Good thing IMO but getting Santana would solidify the rotation none the less
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                    • Mr.Burns
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 381

                      #250
                      Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                      Originally posted by SkinsBoYee
                      Mr. Burns...I agree with you in all you said. My point...teams like the O's though can not compete with teams like the Yanks and the Sox, who can spend 54 MILLION JUST TO TALK TO A GUY FROM JAPAN. Follow? Is this the proper way teams get talent? Does everyone have a shot at a guy like that? Do the Royals or Marlins dream of having players want to play with them and have the ability that other teams have such as the Yanks and Sox to actual sign these stars when they have matured in smaller market teams? And because of all this, does baseball really have an even playing field?
                      I understand what you're saying, but at the same time already tired of hearing just about every team recycle this "excuse" constantly. If the O's wanted to spend, never mind had $100+ million to spend on a Japanese MLB import, the rest of the league would be laughing at their results. 15-12 record, 4.40 era, 1.32 whip.(Came in fourth in AL ROTY). Just because some teams have the money, doesn't necessarily mean they should blow it.
                      No, it's not fair, but so is life. You have no right to complain to the next man, if you don't have the same amount of money or stuff as him, we all have to achieve our goals with whatever resources that are available to us. You should be grateful for any little help you get, not be bitching (even though I understand the reason for it.) Having money is not as important as having smarts nor does it excuse it, which some franchises are starting to realize now. Just look at the Colorado Rockies from this past season, and there's plenty more examples. Not going to deny that having money makes your job easier, but there's usually a reason for every thing that happens.
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                      • GBrushTWood
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1624

                        #251
                        Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                        Wow. There are a ton of moe-rowns posting in this thread. Sometimes I wonder, do some of the people posting even watch baseball?

                        The whining about Minnesota's negotiating strategy is high comedy. As if there is something wrong with playing two teams against each other in negotiations. If Minnesota wasn't doing this, they'd be considered buffoons. Unfortunately, some can't grasp that. It is fortunate for me, however, from a pure entertainment perspective.

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                        • spyder23
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 169

                          #252
                          Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                          Originally posted by GBrushTWood
                          Wow. There are a ton of moe-rowns posting in this thread. Sometimes I wonder, do some of the people posting even watch baseball?

                          The whining about Minnesota's negotiating strategy is high comedy. As if there is something wrong with playing two teams against each other in negotiations. If Minnesota wasn't doing this, they'd be considered buffoons. Unfortunately, some can't grasp that. It is fortunate for me, however, from a pure entertainment perspective.

                          There isnt anything wrong with it at all, and I doubt you know more baseball than me, so your snide remark about wondering if people watch baseball is taken lightly. But that isnt the point. The only thing I ever said was I was defending Hank(and I cant stand the guy) for at least telling the Twins they have a deadline on this. Why is this such a big deal? Its as if a Yankee fan cant stick up for what his team is doing.

                          Maybe it hurts the negotiations, maybe it doesnt. But in the business world, EVERYONE has deadlines. The Twins are no different, they shouldnt get a free pass just because they have the best pitcher in the game in trade talks. The offer is there. The Yankees, for years, have been shelling out way too much than they have to in trades. Nothing wrong with him telling the Twins, in not so many words, that those days are "over". Why does that make me a moe-ron, as you say? Because I am not the consensus? Too bad.

                          (Now watch as I say this, tonight Hank will add in Kennedy.)
                          Last edited by spyder23; 12-03-2007, 07:03 PM.

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                          • snepp
                            We'll waste him too.
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 10007

                            #253
                            Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                            Wow, that flew completely over your head. Perhaps you were too busy stroking your e-self to comprehend it? There's nothing wrong with Hank setting a deadline (even if no one believes him). It's the asinine comments saying that the Twins need to hurry up and pick a deal (no matter how lame), and that trying to get the best possible deal is somehow wrong. That is what is so moe-rownic.
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                            • spyder23
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 169

                              #254
                              Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                              I never said they needed to hurry. I could care less if they take the offer, and I hope they dont. They can mull over Boston's offer until their heads spin around in circles for all I care. I just hope the Yankees offer expires at midnight, and we walk away from this one. I'm glad he set the deadline, and played a little hardball for once.

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                              • Lintyfresh85
                                Where have I been?
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 17492

                                #255
                                Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

                                Originally posted by spyder23
                                I never said they needed to hurry. I could care less if they take the offer, and I hope they dont. They can mull over Boston's offer until their heads spin around in circles for all I care. I just hope the Yankees offer expires at midnight, and we walk away from this one. I'm glad he set the deadline, and played a little hardball for once.
                                Just like he did with A-Rod right?
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                                Originally posted by trobinson97
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