Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[Mr.Burns]

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and as far as the Mickey Jr. remark....I'm referring to the way Yankee fans are hyping him(and the maybe the Yankee front office) in order to try and pry Santana in the trade...not in his actual gameplay.

M.K.
Knight165

Show me who called him "Mickey Jr.". Again, if he was the next coming of Mickey Mantle, believe me the NYY fans wouldn't even want to hear the word "trade" within the same sentence as Melky. Get your facts straight.

[Gary Armida]

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It's quotes like these, that make me hate the Yankees, and their entire organization, even more. Where does Hank get the nerve to talk to the Twins like this? He has an ego the size of Russia, and that goes without saying he's cocking and arrogant. If I'm Bill Smith (the Twins General Manager), I say "No Santana for you." (Kind of like the 'soup-Nazi' off of Seinfield.) Hank has made it clear that he'll use intimidation in any negotiation the Yankees are involved in, and quite frankly, it's childish. As far as the Twins losing the Yankees as possible trade partners, who cares? We may be missing out on one of the better pitching prospects currently in baseball, but I'll take two non-Yankee positional prospects over him at this point-and-time.

This is just some good old fashion negotiating grandstanding by NY. It makes sense really as the Twins have played this deal as well as you could possibly, considering they have all but admitted that they can't/won't resign him at the end of the year. They have a bidding war between the two rivals. It was only a matter of time before one of the teams drew a line in the sand. Of course, the Yanks did this with AROD and we saw how that turned out.

[bergie56]

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I heard this before, but didn't believe it at first. If you say it, then it must be so.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/29/sp...=1&oref=slogin

He is the richest owner by $700 million. It's a joke how rich the guy is.

[Mr.Burns]

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If I'm Bill Smith (the Twins General Manager), I say "No Santana for you." (Kind of like the 'soup-Nazi' off of Seinfield.)

If he got some balls, yeah sure he could do it. Kinda like cutting off the nose to spite the face. It's a great strategy, I guess? And to be honest, I'll be just as happy with Hughes, that I will with Santana. It's not the end of the world.

[bergie56]

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If he got some balls, yeah sure he could do it. Kinda like cutting off the nose to spite the face. It's a great strategy, I guess? And to be honest, I'll be just as happy with Hughes, that I will with Santana. It's not the end of the world.

I am sure that Hughes will be a great pitcher, but would you seriously be fine having him and not Santana? That is going a little far. I can see not wanting to give up all of the pieces that might be needed, but I think it is ridiculous to claim that having Hughes would be just as good as having Santana.

[bergie56]

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It's quotes like these, that make me hate the Yankees, and their entire organization, even more. Where does Hank get the nerve to talk to the Twins like this? He has an ego the size of Russia, and that goes without saying he's cocking and arrogant. If I'm Bill Smith (the Twins General Manager), I say "No Santana for you." (Kind of like the 'soup-Nazi' off of Seinfield.) Hank has made it clear that he'll use intimidation in any negotiation the Yankees are involved in, and quite frankly, it's childish. As far as the Twins losing the Yankees as possible trade partners, who cares? We may be missing out on one of the better pitching prospects currently in baseball, but I'll take two non-Yankee positional prospects over him at this point-and-time.

I agree that Hank is trying to bully the Twins, but as much as it sucks we need them in the trade discussions. None of the deals have really excited me much. If we could get the deal we are requesting from the Red Sox, I would be a little excited but I have almost accepted that we aren't going to get that great of a deal when/if we trade Johan. It really sucks.

[rsox]

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All this trade talk of Johan is making me sick. This is the exact reason why baseball is so wrong. Yeah, sure every year there is some small market team that may make the playoffs, but if you are the O's or Bluejays....why even play.

I don't know about the Blue Jays but Peter Angelos has more than enough money to spend to make the Orioles contenders, he just chooses not to. I'm sure since you are an O's fan that you know people in Baltimore have been practically negging Angelos to sell the team for several years now.

[Mr.Burns]

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I am sure that Hughes will be a great pitcher, but would you seriously be fine having him and not Santana? That is going a little far. I can see not wanting to give up all of the pieces that might be needed, but I think it is ridiculous to claim that having Hughes would be just as good as having Santana.

Definitely understand where you're coming from, but Phil Hughes is our own in-house prospect. Whether he will be good or not, as a Yankees fan, I'd love to find out first-hand from within the organization. Last time we brought up farm system products, it didn't turn out too bad at all. To the next fan, of course having Santana over Hughes is a no-brainer. That's my opinion at least.

[Knight165]

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MK, I wasn't calling you sensitive.
I don't understand how your "fictional" trade hypotheticals would even hold any merit. Everyone knows the Cubs are trying to sell the team, so why would they even attempt to try to trade for Santana, knowing well-ahead that they won't be able to pay him? This applies to not only the Cubs, but many other teams. Not many teams are going to hinder their own team's future just so they could acquire a one-year rental. If that's your plot to getting more out of either the Yankees or Boston, I will be the first to tell you that they are too smart for that to even work.
As of matter of fact, Twinkies actually did try to get the most talent they could, except nobody was willing to give it to them. The most Yankees agreed to is Hughes and couple of promising prospects. Same type of deal for the Sox I assume.
As for Melky, I don't care how you're going to circumvent the definition of " above average arm" to make yourself look as if you're right, but know this:
Melky has been among the league's leaders in outfield assists. In 2006, his first full year in the Bigs, he racked up 14 assists, tying him for second in the league. In 2007, he led all CF's with 14 assists, plus he added two more during his tenure over in LF. Just for comparison, Grady Sizemore who's on his way to becoming a star in this league equaled just as many assists as Melky did in his first extensive year in the league, except it took Grady the entire 4 years he's been in the Majors to put up the same number. I don't know if that is a canon arm or not, which is not what you said; but actually what you did say, is that he doesn't have an above average arm, which is absolutely incorrect.
If people who watched him more than you say this to you, especially considering the stats seem to back up their stance, I would say these people have a better idea what they're talking about, as opposed to you. No offense, seeing as other's think I insulted you by simply stating the facts.

Okay....Melky = cannon and Melky< Mickey ...got it.
Now one thing about whoever is going to get Santana...and this refers to what you are saying about the Cubs(why that's killing you I don't know...I was just referring that other teams have the goods equal to what the Yanks and Sox are OFFERING ...NOT that they would be in the market)...there is no way the deal gets done without that team having a 10-14 day window to sign him to a multi year contract. He is not going to be a "one year rental" when a team is going to have to give up as much as they will to get him. If that happens...fans of that team should just hand in their tickets.

M.K.
Knight165

M.K.
Knight165

[rsox]

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"I'm not going to be played against the Red Sox. That's not something that i'll do. That's not something the Yankees should ever do, and that's what i think they're trying to do now".

Isn't this the same guy that said the Yankees would not negotiate with ARod if he opted out of his contract. yet three weeks later agreed in principal with him on the richest contract in sports history?.

Here's some Kool-Aid for you Hank, bottoms up!.

[bergie56]

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Definitely understand where you're coming from, but Phil Hughes is our own in-house prospect. Whether he will be good or not, as a Yankees fan, I'd love to find out first-hand from within the organization. Last time we brought up farm system products, it didn't turn out too bad at all. To the next fan, of course having Santana over Hughes is a no-brainer. That's my opinion at least.

Makes sense to me. However, it seems to be that we get to watch our players blossom, only to have them move on after they have established themselves.

[NYJets]

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Hank is horrible. Why can't he keep his mouth shut?

I only hope that he's just the voice, and Cashman is still doing the work behind the scenes. But I don't know.

[Mr.Burns]

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(why that's killing you I don't know...I was just referring that other teams have the goods equal to what the Yanks and Sox are OFFERING ...NOT that they would be in the market)...there is no way the deal gets done without that team having a 10-14 day window to sign him to a multi year contract. He is not going to be a "one year rental" when a team is going to have to give up as much as they will to get him. If that happens...fans of that team should just hand in their tickets.
M.K. Knight165

That wasn't even my point. My concern was if whether the team X could afford to pay him what he demands, so finances would be the issue, and on top of that actually sacrifice their own elite prospect(s) in the process.

[Knight165]

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That wasn't even my point. My concern was if whether the team X could afford to pay him what he demands, so finances would be the issue, and on top of that actually sacrifice their own elite prospect(s) in the process.

Okay...fair enough. Trust me...I have zero belief that the Cubs would ever get involved. I was just trying to point out to someone that other teams have prospects available equal to what the Yanks are offering.
I still think that if the Yanks or Sox decide to go even a little more on the throttle.....nobody else can match them prospect wise, but I guess we won't know according to Hank.
At least Hank has some moxie....I'll give him that.

M.K.
Knight165

[Mr.Burns]

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"I'm not going to be played against the Red Sox. That's not something that i'll do. That's not something the Yankees should ever do, and that's what i think they're trying to do now".

Isn't this the same guy that said the Yankees would not negotiate with ARod if he opted out of his contract. yet three weeks later agreed in principal with him on the richest contract in sports history?.

Here's some Kool-Aid for you Hank, bottoms up!.

Lol I knew his own mouth would come back to bite him in the ***. To his credit, he could save face by simply saying Arod went around his agent to make sure he stays, and the fact that he [Hank] never did actually get into a bidding war, just like he said he wouldn't. I'd prefer if he kept his word, but I'm not going to front like I would have liked it more if Arod left.