Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[boston_sports_rule]

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According to Newark Star Ledger that a source in one of the teams in the Santana talks have Jacoby Ellsbury going to Minnesota only if the Sox get Santana and one more significant piece. I think the piece is probably Joe Nathan. The Twins would get 2/3 of the propsects they wanted from the Sox

If the the Twins put Nathan in the package it would probably be

Lester
Ellsbury
Masterson/Bowden
Lowrie

for

Santana
Nathan

[tWoSour]

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I really don't want to give up Jacoby.....

[GBrushTWood]

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Probably Neshek instead of Nathan. Twins can get more back if they trade Nathan separately.

[CMH]

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No sense for the Red Sox to add Nathan but just to make the trade look even. No knock on Nathan, very good closer, and he'd be a hell of a 8th inning pitcher but is that what he really wants?

[CMH]

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No doubt about that.

Per Jason Stark's blog:

The blog is a bit skewed.

He's comparing Santana to a time when there were more aces in the league.

It's also not exactly fair to say that Santana led the league in strikeouts more years than Koufax so that makes him better.

What if all of a sudden baseball had a down decade? Should we assume the guy that led the league in strikeouts 5 years in a row is a better pitcher than Santana?

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The blog is really trying to prove one thing and that is Santana is a great pitcher. Forget comparing him to the past or Pedro Martinez. The point is now and right now Santana is the best baseball has to offer.

There is no minor league pitcher or player with upside compared to what Santana has already done.

[bergie56]

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Probably Neshek instead of Nathan. Twins can get more back if they trade Nathan separately.

Supposedly the interest for Nathan around the league is lukewarm. I sure as hell hope that we don't give up Neshek in this deal. I wish we were getting an established bat still.

[Misfit]

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According to Newark Star Ledger that a source in one of the teams in the Santana talks have Jacoby Ellsbury going to Minnesota only if the Sox get Santana and one more significant piece. I think the piece is probably Joe Nathan. The Twins would get 2/3 of the propsects they wanted from the Sox

If the the Twins put Nathan in the package it would probably be

Lester
Ellsbury
Masterson/Bowden
Lowrie

for

Santana
Nathan

I think both the Red Sox and Yankees are just trying to keep up the pressure on each other heading into the winter meetings. The Yankees by reportedly agreeing to add Hughes to the mix, and now the Red Sox with Ellsbury. I think the Yankees have the better shot right now. While I think the package the Red Sox are (supposedly) offering is a little better than the one offered by the Yankees I think only the Yankees are truly willing to make the deal.

[boston_sports_rule]

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The Minneapolis Star Tribune's Lavelle E. Neal III believes the Yankees are now offering Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and Ian Kennedy in return for Johan Santana.

That is a done deal for the Twins I think unless the Mets are going to give up Reyes.

[Sandman42]

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I'll take that with a grain of salt, isn't that the same guy who thinks the Twins still have Carlos Silva?

[snepp]

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I'll take that with a grain of salt, isn't that the same guy who thinks the Twins still have Carlos Silva?

No, the douche bag writes for the Pioneer Press, the red-headed stepchild of the Twin Cities media (at least for sports coverage). LaVelle is the Twins beat writer for the Star Tribune, he's actually pretty respectable. Take the grain of salt anyway though....

[snepp]

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That article was updated to say Hughes OR Kennedy, not both (so in other words nothing new).

[bergie56]

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If the Yankees really offered Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes this deal would be done by now. I still see some unknown team coming in and completing the deal. This kind of reminds me of the KG sweepstakes from the past summer. I am guessing a deal will be reached after trade talks have died down significantly.

[Sandman42]

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That article was updated to say Hughes OR Kennedy, not both (so in other words nothing new).

Phew. I thought Steinbrenner and Cahsman had went off the deep end.

[dust247]

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Probably Neshek instead of Nathan. Twins can get more back if they trade Nathan separately.

There's is no way Neshek gets dealt in any trade this season, or for many seasons to follow. Neshek is still a few years away from arbitration, and the Twins feed off of players like this. That all goes with out saying, Neshek has the "stuff" to be the next great MLB closer.

In my opinion, if the Twins have to add another player to complete a Johan Santana-trade, it's probably not a good trade for the Twins. To me, that offer posted that involves both Nathan and Santana is just horrible. I could see Terry Ryan (our old GM) doing that trade, but not Bill Smith. I mean that trade doesn't help us, as much as two separate trades could. Right now I'd rather do a trade with the Yankees, as much as a I hate to say that, because it appears they're willing negotiate a little more. However, that's easy for me to say, since I'm not the one doing the actual negotiating.

[The C]

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What I don't get is how Yankee fans act like they will never see Hughes again.

You'll just get him in 6 or so years when the Twins can't pay him Santana money IF he develops into an amazing player.

If he doesn't develop you still have Santana, who is an amazing player.