Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

[ckarlic]

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Thank you Hank! F the Twins. They are definitely playing the Yanks against the Sox, and Hank is just letting them knoe he isnt going to be bullied. Nothing wrong with that either. Its funny how Yankee haters find anything to btch abut when it comes to the Yankees.

$hit or get off the pot, Twins. The Yankees have other pitchers they are interested in and the Twins have had plenty of time to decipher between the two deals. If Hughes and Melky and another prospect isnt enough, then adios. Let Boston trade Ellsbury to them. I am to the point now I hope the Twins get stuck with Johan and end up getting nothing for him when he leaves via FA. They have a cheap owner(not to mention probably the games richest owner), and it would serve him right.

And to the guy who said he wished Hank would step aside and let Cashman do his job, I agree. But for different reasons. What you dont understand is we wouldnt even be discussing Hughes to the Twins if Cashman was in charge of all this. Cashman doesnt want to deal him, and neither do I.

I'll gladly keep Hughes. Let the kids have a chance, for once.

Exactly what i was trying to say. well said

[spyder23]

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No one is forcing the Yankees to trade for Johan Santana, or any other Twins player for that matter. If the Yankees aren't going to offer what our GM feels is necessary, than a trade won't happen. Hank can feel he has made the best offer, but that's only his opinion. I guess if the Twins are "bullying" Hank, as you say they are, it serves him and the Yankees right.

Good then, I hope it DOESNT happen. Minnesota is the ones who will need to get something for him, and teams SHOULD know this. If anything, its the Twins who have to be feeling the pressure. They can ask for all the players they think they are going to get, but no one is going to get raped in this deal. And if they do, then they are stupid. Yes, he is the best pitcher in baseball. But you know what, get used to NOT seeing him in Minnesota no matter what happens! This is his last year there. I just hope he ends up not getting traded, then he bolts and signs somewhere else. The Yankees dont HAVE to trade for him, and honestly, I hope to God they dont. Our offer is already too much, if you or the Twins dont like it, see ya! You wont get a better offer. Its on the table,so they can take it or leave it.

And the Yankees BETTER not cave and add Ian Kennedy to this deal. See above, that would be a perfect example of getting raped, and being stupid.

[dust247]

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Yea, Hughes pulled his hamstring, he is terrible.

And what do you mean Melky hasn't played up to his expectations? He was never a huge prospect, a lot of people thought he was terrible. He has surpassed expectations.

I never said Hughes was terrible, so I'm not sure why you added the sarcastic remark there. I called him a "premier prospect," however I did question whether he was healthy last season or not. I would have no problem with Hughes being the centerpiece of a Twins-Yankees trade, but I definitely want a couple more "solid, premier, good, etc. (what have you)" prospects/MLB players added into any trade proposal.

As far as Melky Cabrera goes, I simply don't want him unless he's just an add-in. He may have flown under the radar in the Yankees' minor league system, but once he reached the majors, the whole nation heard how he was the next great thing. Most media outlets make him out to be someone who can hit .300 year in and year out, and that he has an arm that matches that of Ichiro.

[snepp]

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More crying about being bullied, how ****ing hilarious is this? The sense of entitlement coming from alot of Yankees fans (not so much here) who are used to getting whatever they want is ridiculous. Like a toddler getting told 'no', the feet stomping and whining ensues. No one is stopping Mr. Hanky for dealing for someone else, but I think it's pretty obvious that if they actually wanted someone else we wouldn't be here discussing Johan.

[ckarlic]

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Good then, I hope it DOESNT happen. Minnesota is the ones who will need to get something for him, and teams SHOULD know this. If anything, its the Twins who have to be feeling the pressure. They can ask for all the players they think they are going to get, but no one is going to get raped in this deal. And if they do, then they are stupid. Yes, he is the best pitcher in baseball. But you know what, get used to NOT seeing him in Minnesota no matter what happens! This is his last year there. I just hope he ends up not getting traded, then he bolts and signs somewhere else. The Yankees dont HAVE to trade for him, and honestly, I hope to God they dont. Our offer is already too much, if you or the Twins dont like it, see ya! You wont get a better offer. Its on the table,so they can take it or leave it.

And the Yankees BETTER not cave and add Ian Kennedy to this deal. See above, that would be a perfect example of getting raped, and being stupid.

Yeah. Dont worry, no matter what the Yankees do a lot of people will criticize the move and find everything wrong with it. Ehhh, i guess that is part of being the "Evil Empire".

[ckarlic]

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I never said Hughes was terrible, so I'm not sure why you added the sarcastic remark there. I called him a "premier prospect," however I did question whether he was healthy last season or not. I would have no problem with Hughes being the centerpiece of a Twins-Yankees trade, but I definitely want a couple more "solid, premier, good, etc. (what have you)" prospects/MLB players added into any trade proposal.

As far as Melky Cabrera goes, I simply don't want him unless he's just an add-in. He may have flown under the radar in the Yankees' minor league system, but once he reached the majors, the whole nation heard how he was the next great thing. Most media outlets make him out to be someone who can hit .300 year in and year out, and that he has an arm that matches that of Ichiro.

Melly is still very young and I can see him becoming a great outfielder offensively and defensively. I wouldn't sleep on him at all. He does have an accurate cannon.

[NYJets]

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the whole nation heard how he was the next great thing. Most media outlets make him out to be someone who can hit .300 year in and year out, and that he has an arm that matches that of Ichiro.

I feel bad for you if that's what the Minnesota media has been saying about him.

But even the New York media hasn't said anything close to that. Even YES, the Yankees propaganda machine regularly questions whether he is capable of being a long term starter.

I don't know where you hear this stuff, I've never heard anything close to it.

[dust247]

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Good then, I hope it DOESNT happen. Minnesota is the ones who will need to get something for him, and teams SHOULD know this. If anything, its the Twins who have to be feeling the pressure. They can ask for all the players they think they are going to get, but no one is going to get raped in this deal. And if they do, then they are stupid. Yes, he is the best pitcher in baseball. But you know what, get used to NOT seeing him in Minnesota no matter what happens! This is his last year there. I just hope he ends up not getting traded, then he bolts and signs somewhere else. The Yankees dont HAVE to trade for him, and honestly, I hope to God they dont. Our offer is already too much, if you or the Twins dont like it, see ya! You wont get a better offer. Its on the table,so they can take it or leave it.

And the Yankees BETTER not cave and add Ian Kennedy to this deal. See above, that would be a perfect example of getting raped, and being stupid.

No matter what happens, the Twins are getting at least one player out of Johan Santana. Whether that be in a trade or in the form of compensation, via the MLB amateur draft, is to be determined. If the Yankees really want Johan Santana, they'll realize sooner or later that their offer isn't enough, and they'll up the ante. Hank can have a deadline all he wants, but that means absolutely nothing to Bill Smith and the Twins. The Twins have one deadline to attempt to trade Santana and that's July 31st. Obviously the longer Smith waits, the more pressure the he'll face. However we're only in December, we've got a long ways to go before the pressure is really on.

[bergie56]

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I feel bad for you if that's what the Minnesota media has been saying about him.

But even the New York media hasn't said anything close to that. Even YES, the Yankees propaganda machine regularly questions whether he is capable of being a long term starter.

I don't know where you hear this stuff, I've never heard anything close to it.

I think that what Dust is trying to say is that he is annoyed the Melky Cabrera is the 2nd biggest piece to this trade so far. I also remember hearing a lot about Melky coming up, but I haven't heard anything since then.

[bergie56]

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More crying about being bullied, how ****ing hilarious is this? The sense of entitlement coming from alot of Yankees fans (not so much here) who are used to getting whatever they want is ridiculous. Like a toddler getting told 'no', the feet stomping and whining ensues. No one is stopping Mr. Hanky for dealing for someone else, but I think it's pretty obvious that if they actually wanted someone else we wouldn't be here discussing Johan.

It's really funny isn't it? For the most part the fans of teams around here aren't too bad, but ckarlic and spyder23 are really living up to the reputation (not saying it is deserved) of Yankees fans. As soon as something doesn't go their way they take their ball and go home crying. It is funny that they are crying about our GM essentially doing what Hank is doing by setting the deadline. Both are trying to get the best deal for their respective team. Bill Smith is being patient and leveraging offers and Hank is trying to scare or bully Smith.

[spyder23]

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It's really funny isn't it? For the most part the fans of teams around here aren't too bad, but ckarlic and spyder23 are really living up to the reputation (not saying it is deserved) of Yankees fans. As soon as something doesn't go their way they take their ball and go home crying.

Lol, how am i "taking my ball home and crying"? Just because I said I actually dont want Santana if it means giving up Hughes?? Who cares? Its good that Hank said what he did, I hope it does get shot down. The Twins are playing games. At first, they said they wanted Hughes in the deal, Yankees finally offered him, and they run to Boston, and back and forth we go. The Yankees have other pitchers to try and get, so yes, setting the deadline was the best thing he could have done.

Deal is on the table, take it or leave it. Please leave it. You dont even know what you're talking about. I'm not crying about anything. What exactly didnt go my way?? I DONT WANT SANTANA! Can you read???

[spyder23]

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I think that what Dust is trying to say is that he is annoyed the Melky Cabrera is the 2nd biggest piece to this trade so far. I also remember hearing a lot about Melky coming up, but I haven't heard anything since then.

As opposed to what 2nd piece from Boston? Masterson?? Lowrie?? Those bozos havent even played yet. The Yankee offer(of the two we know of) is clearly the better offer. Does it mean I am "drinking the kool aid" NO...it means its the best of the two offers on the table.

Hughes, Melky and a 3rd prospect > Ellsbury and 2 prospects.

Now if Boston would add in Lester, then that is different.

[ckarlic]

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It's really funny isn't it? For the most part the fans of teams around here aren't too bad, but ckarlic and spyder23 are really living up to the reputation (not saying it is deserved) of Yankees fans. As soon as something doesn't go their way they take their ball and go home crying. It is funny that they are crying about our GM essentially doing what Hank is doing by setting the deadline. Both are trying to get the best deal for their respective team. Bill Smith is being patient and leveraging offers and Hank is trying to scare or bully Smith.

Ehh, regardless of what happens the Yanks will have a great team on the field next year. So either way, Santana or not, i could care less since im confident that the Yanks will be, as Jimmy Rollins stated last year, "the team to beat" in the AL east.

[Lintyfresh85]

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Lol, how am i "taking my ball home and crying"? Just because I said I actually dont want Santana if it means giving up Hughes?? Who cares? Its good that Hank said what he did, I hope it does get shot down. The Twins are playing games. At first, they said they wanted Hughes in the deal, Yankees finally offered him, and they run to Boston, and back and forth we go. The Yankees have other pitchers to try and get, so yes, setting the deadline was the best thing he could have done.

Deal is on the table, take it or leave it. Please leave it. You dont even know what you're talking about. I'm not crying about anything. What exactly didnt go my way?? I DONT WANT SANTANA! Can you read???

Can you post in a civil manner?

[CMH]

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and a media over-hyped center fielder, that hasn't played up to his expectations since joining the majors a couple of years back.

How can a overhyped player not meet expectations?