Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

**RoyalBoyle78** · 12-06-2007, 09:10 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by snepp

What?

They offered a single prospect, Hughes, plus garbage.

Yu have to look at it this way, the Yankees players offered have at least somewhat MLB experience, the players Boston offered have none, to me that's a big deal, The Yankees players involved could help now, not like Bostons players, This could be a bust to the Twins either way, These players could go to the Twins and do nothing, but like I said I think the Yankees players are better then Boston's. Melky has the experience and Hughes doesn't have a tons, but he still has some. I think Hughes is going to be better then Lester.

**snepp** · 12-06-2007, 09:48 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by YankeePride_YP

I don't know why you are so adament about putting a .275 hitter with a .728 OPS down so hard. I don't think anyone here has said he's gonna be great but you're truly ignoring what he's done in his two years in the league. You're acting like he's putting up Coco Crisp numbers.

Melky has on numerous occasions in this thread been labeled a good hitter, which he clearly isn't. He put up slightly below average numbers for his position over the last two years and looks to put up average numbers for his position in the future, which would make him an average hitter. I'm not arguing his relative worth to Coco, simply the impression coming out of NY that he's anything more than an average player.

**snepp** · 12-06-2007, 09:50 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by FootballForever

I think Hughes is going to be better then Lester.

I think that's an understatement.

**cjonesfan921** · 12-06-2007, 10:05 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by eXperiment63

Beckett could... He aint goin nowhere though.

You would have to add in something. No pitcher straight up is equal to Santana.

**Meatdawg** · 12-06-2007, 10:13 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by cjonesfan921

You would have to add in something. No pitcher straight up is equal to Santana.

Jake Peavy?

**ehh** · 12-06-2007, 10:31 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by Misfit

The Yankees won't get him unless they stop overvaluing their prospects.

Great point, we should just trade away the farm and go after every FA and established star that we can since it worked out great for us from '02-present.

:wink:

**ckarlic** · 12-06-2007, 11:28 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

With trade talks stalling between the SOx and Twins, would be funny if Santana goes to the NL (Mets?) or just remains a Twin.

**Beantown** · 12-06-2007, 11:33 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by FootballForever

Yu have to look at it this way, the Yankees players offered have at least somewhat MLB experience, the players Boston offered have none, to me that's a big deal, The Yankees players involved could help now, not like Bostons players.

@ this part. I agree with the Hughes being better than Lester comment.

Not have MLB experience? He may not be very good, but Crisp has been in the league for a few years, Lester has been pitching in the bigs for what should be two seasons but cancer got in his way (including pitching a clinching game 4 of a world series...let me know when Hughes adds that to his resume)...And personally, I'd say Crisp would help more now than Melky (he'd be a better replacement defensively for Hunter, has more speed on the basepaths) and Lester will be a solid starter and has proven that he can be a good #4 option, probably #3 at best. Hughes has much more upside, that's for sure, but to say Boston's package has no MLB experience and couldn't help now is hilarious.

**bergie56** · 12-06-2007, 11:58 AM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by Longhorn

@ this part. I agree with the Hughes being better than Lester comment.

Not have MLB experience? He may not be very good, but Crisp has been in the league for a few years, Lester has been pitching in the bigs for what should be two seasons but cancer got in his way (including pitching a clinching game 4 of a world series...let me know when Hughes adds that to his resume)...And personally, I'd say Crisp would help more now than Melky (he'd be a better replacement defensively for Hunter, has more speed on the basepaths) and Lester will be a solid starter and has proven that he can be a good #4 option, probably #3 at best. Hughes has much more upside, that's for sure, but to say Boston's package has no MLB experience and couldn't help now is hilarious.

My biggest problem with Lester being a #4 or #3 starter at best is that we have an entire rotation of guys like that. If we trade Santana it will be the first time in a long time that we go into a season where we don't have a clear cut #1 starter for our team.

**Beantown** · 12-06-2007, 12:48 PM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by bergie56

My biggest problem with Lester being a #4 or #3 starter at best is that we have an entire rotation of guys like that. If we trade Santana it will be the first time in a long time that we go into a season where we don't have a clear cut #1 starter for our team.

Speaking of which...how is Liriano's arm healing?

**ComfortablyLomb** · 12-06-2007, 01:41 PM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by ckarlic

With trade talks stalling between the SOx and Twins, would be funny if Santana goes to the NL (Mets?) or just remains a Twin.

I would welcome him remaining a Twinkie or going to the NL. I think the Twins are the third best team in the AL Central and not really a big Wild Card threat so if they want to keep him then go right ahead. The Sox don't need this deal, they just need Santana to not end up with the Yankees because if they get him I think they'll be dead even with the Sox going into the season. Totally different playing teams but they should put up similar win totals so long as the injury bug doesn't ravage one more than the other. Without Santana I just think they linger because of their offense.

**CMH** · 12-06-2007, 01:46 PM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by snepp

Melky has on numerous occasions in this thread been labeled a good hitter, which he clearly isn't. He put up slightly below average numbers for his position over the last two years and looks to put up average numbers for his position in the future, which would make him an average hitter. I'm not arguing his relative worth to Coco, simply the impression coming out of NY that he's anything more than an average player.

Well, I'm agreeing with you there.

I made it clear already once in this thead that Melky Cabrera is a fourth outfielder. But, you can't tell a lot of NY fans that.

**snepp** · 12-06-2007, 01:58 PM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by YankeePride_YP

Well, I'm agreeing with you there.

I made it clear already once in this thead that Melky Cabrera is a fourth outfielder. But, you can't tell a lot of NY fans that.

I recall you saying that, and you're right, it doesn't appear to be a very popular opinion among the NY faithful.

Overall I think Coco would be more beneficial to the Twins given the less than stellar range of their corner outfielders. Delmon has plenty of athletic ability but it hasn't exactly translated into quality range (from what I read), and Cuddyer just doesn't cover much ground.

The rate things are going it's all going to be moot anyway. The Twins will end up with some craptastic wastebin castoff in center (here's looking at you Erstad, Darren and Podsednik, Scott).

**ehh** · 12-06-2007, 01:59 PM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Melky is definitely an average player right now but he does have more upside than some people on here think.

A 23-year old switch hitting centerfielder with good range and a great arm isn't a bad thing. He could turn out to be very similar hitter to Torri Hunter for all we know.

Hunter's numbers at age 22: .255 avg/9 HR/53 RBI/.309 OBP in 135 games.
Cabrera's numbers at age 22: .273/8 HR/73 RBI/.327 OBP in 150 games.

Let's not forget that he got off to a terrible start in '07, just like Cano and Abreu. Let's hope he learned his lesson and won't party like a rockstar the night before games.

He hit .298 in June, .368 in July and .306 in August. He hit a the wall big time in September and hit only .188, his average going into September was .296. He doesn't have power yet but he could develop 25 HR/year power.

**bergie56** · 12-06-2007, 02:09 PM

Re: Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

Originally posted by Longhorn

Speaking of which...how is Liriano's arm healing?

I have read that it healed very quickly and he is ahead of schedule. I never really believe that, as it seems that almost every athlete ever is ahead of schedule in terms of injury rehabilitation. Snepp, can you shed more light on this?

Either way, I see no way as to how he will ever be the same though.

Don't be surprised if Johan Santana is a Yankee before the season gets underway.

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