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Agreed. All of their deals have driven up the price tag of pitchers and position players in the league.
When a hitter like Tex can make over $20 MM a year, then it just makes it easier for a guy like Ryan Howard to ask for the same price tag. Right now, Pujols is the biggest bargain in sports (for a player that has had an opportunity to test free agency). Comparing dollars for performance, Pujols could pretty much demand $30 MM a year and justify the value.
Then you have Burnett making $16+ a year. He's not an ace and he's making more than ace money. It's absurd.
As for this ruining the sport...I can understand why people feel that way. If I were a fan of a smaller team (ie: Rays) then I would honestly just brush this off and root for my team to beat the Yankees.
I could probably argue that the Yankees spending has made baseball better for the fan. Sure, maybe your team can't sign that prized free agent, but if you're a Rays fan, I could only try to imagine what beating the Yankees and Red Sox must feel like. If the Yankees and Red Sox had the same payroll, does the victory mean as much? It means a lot, but it's gotta mean a lot more in the current situation.
If the Yankees don't win the championship, the team that does, it's fanbase probably might cherish that victory more because as of December 23, 2008, there are 29 teams with fans that are being force fed into believing that their team can not beat the Yankees.
I would like to see a more even playing field. I hate to see the Yankees sign both big free agents. As a fan, I'm obviously excited. As a baseball fan, it's disappointing. But, the Yankees give every team a Goliath to conquer and maybe that makes victory more sweet."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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The problem with Manny is that he's old, while Teixeira is just now hitting the prime of his career. And as you mentioned, Manny is half a player. He's basically a DH, because his glove lessons his value more than any other player in baseball. Teixeira, OTOH, is one of the best gloves at first base. Teixeira is a 5 WAR/season player and those are hard to find.
Teixeira and Sabathia were Free Agents 1a and 1b this offseason. The Yankees nabbed both of them with monster contracts. Adding onto what BK said, no one could offer Teixeira that kind of money without taking a MAJOR risk of crippling their franchise for years. Not only that, they also offered him a full no trade clause...that's absurd for an 8 year contract.
MLB is getting into serious problems not just with the Yankees, but with the Sox, Mets, Dodgers, etc as well. Contract escalation is continually getting out of hand and we're in a freakin recession. Its laughable when you consider the Yankees payroll is $200m more (or 10x larger) than another team in the same league.Member of The OS Baseball Rocket Scientists AssociationComment
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I agree. Other sports that have salary caps have their goliaths as well, it's just that those goliaths are usually built on good scouting, player development, great draft-day decisions, creative front office moves, etc. and not straight-up economic inequity.
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I'm really not sure how to respond to this thread in a sane and coherent manner.Comment
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Why do people always say that the Yankees asked for money for their stadium? They paid for just about EVERYTHING that has to do with the stadium. What they asked for money for was for the sorrounding area and parking structures to make it a better place for NYC and more attractive. What are they supposed to do, fix NYC themselves?
Learn the damn facts.Comment
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Actually ryan...you need to learn the "damn" facts.
The Yankees asked for tax breaks(YOU try asking the city not to pay property tax and see what they tell you...and the whole....they create jobs talk is somewhat nonsense...EVERY business "creates" jobs...as do the residents......you spend money.....)
The tax breaks they asked for in concert with the money the CITY had to spend for infrastructure is over 1 BILLION dollars....paid for by you and I. The teams wouldn't build the stadiums without these fixes and tax breaks.
They asked for the stadium money and would have gotten it too if Rudy was in office.....
Bottom line....NYC taxpayers took a big hit for the Mets and Yanks.Period.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/ny...5stadiums.html
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it's not like the yankees don't have to pay the money back, that's why i dont understand why people keep bringing it upComment
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What money?
Those taxes and rent are gone.
Forever.
The subsidies that they are paying back.....probably at 0 %.
Anyway you slice it.....the rich are getting richer off the backs of the average Joe....AND we are still buying their product.
We're suckers.
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or maybe...
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I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
Because the Yankees are considered the hated goliath, it gives the smaller teams that beat them more pride in defeating them.
Just look at the boards here. When the Yankees suffer, teams that don't even face them have fans that celebrate. I'm pretty sure that Rays fans feel really good about themselves not only for winning the division but for winning the division over the Red Sox and Yankees.
You're confusing my comment about spending with comments about the Yankees buying all free agents. I'm talking about spending making other teams angry and giving fans a reason to want to beat the Yankees."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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That's not good reasoning, however.
You want to pick your goliath based on a set system? Goliaths are goliaths for any reason.
Just because the Yankees spend money to be this goliath doesn't make them a worse goliath than a team that did it with smart scouting, building a farm system, etc.
It's still a goliath. If the Yankees were the best team in baseball because they clearly had the top farm system, or the best scouting team, then fans would hate them for that.
It's just so happens that in this case it's about money because that's where the Yankees clearly dominate the rest of the league.
In fact, in the past when there was no draft, fans and teams did hate the Yankees because they were able to get any amateur player. They were the best at it. And it wasn't even about money then. It was about being the Yankees and playing in New York.
Look, I'm not trying to type away by defending the Yankees. It's obvious that I'm a fan of the team. It's also pretty obvious that if you've been following these threads recently that I did not want Sabathia here and I didn't think Texiera was worth this outrageous contract. Am I happy that they are here? Sure. The Yankees needed them. But, the money and committment is frustrating. Disgusting.
That being said, it's pretty easy to hate the Yankees. And I'm not saying that to insult people that do. It's simple. The Yankees spend more than anyone and they can spend more than anyone else. I understand why people would hate them. I understand why teams hate them.
But, lets not ignore that if the Yankees were doing it another way (and there was a way to measure their dominance in it like you can by looking at a dollar sign and the zeroes that follow it) that they would still be the hated Yankees.
They've been the hated Yankees for nearly a century."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I'd say requesting tax breaks is well within reason by the Yankees. It's a smart business move and it is completely justified.
Not only does a new stadium create jobs, it automatically increases the revenue of the surrounding businesses, their value, and creates more revenue for the city's mass transit system.
Now, I understand that in the Yankees case the stadium is right across the street, but a their new stadium is going to have some of those same positive impacts.Comment
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