Name players that you think were clean during the steroid era

[PrettyT11]

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Frank Thomas and Ken Griffey Jr

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[steelcurtain311]

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Sammy Sosa was so obviously juiced.

I think you'd have to define "clean", because I'm sure a good number of players at least TRIED steroids of some kind, at some point, since why not? They weren't illegal. That doesn't mean they were juicers who were on them for years, but they could at least experimented a little with them.

[PrettyT11]

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Not saying I beleive he was clean or anything but I don't see how people can't just say they know without a doubt Sosa was juiced. I mean there are zero positive tests on him, he wasn't in the Mitchell Report, he wasn't named by any other players, and even the so called now reliable Canseco hasn't said Sosa in his book. He has already admitted to using Creatine and things from GNC. Creatine CAN bulk you up like that. Again I'm not saying he was clean or even believe he was clean but he doesn't have ANY of the other things against him like A-Rod, Bonds, Mac, and Clemens.

[steelcurtain311]

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Because like Bonds, he showed up and suddenly was gigantic. You just can't ignore the fact that A) He become monstrously big when he never was before. and B) his power numbers increased by a HUGE margin towards the peak of the steroid era, the same time everyone else was juicing.

I've said this about Bonds, and I'll say it about Sosa too, and that's if you watch the guy just even a few years before the steroids era, and then watch him during the steroids era, there's such an OBVIOUS difference in his power. Sosa was hitting opposite field and center field HR's at distances he NEVER reached before, just absolute moonshots. And that was one of the obvious tells that Bonds was juiced, same as Sosa.

[Kashanova]

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Because like Bonds, he showed up and suddenly was gigantic. You just can't ignore the fact that A) He become monstrously big when he never was before. and B) his power numbers increased by a HUGE margin towards the peak of the steroid era, the same time everyone else was juicing.

I've said this about Bonds, and I'll say it about Sosa too, and that's if you watch the guy just even a few years before the steroids era, and then watch him during the steroids era, there's such an OBVIOUS difference in his power. Sosa was hitting opposite field and center field HR's at distances he NEVER reached before, just absolute moonshots. And that was one of the obvious tells that Bonds was juiced, same as Sosa.

in 1996 sosa hit 40 homeruns in 120 games, so it's not like he just came out of no where like you say

[RedheadKingpin]

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Sosa is also a guy who forgot how to speak English when asked a question about steroids,so. Not like that means anything,but I'm just sayin.

[BatsareBugs]

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Jeff Bagwell?

[steelcurtain311]

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in 1996 sosa hit 40 homeruns in 120 games, so it's not like he just came out of no where like you say

There's a big difference between 40 and 60. Lots of guys have hit a ton of HR's in a short number of games, only to burn themselves out and cramp out before hitting even 50.

Like I said, it's not the number, it's the sheer power of the HR's he was hitting that says it all. This wasn't a guy who could routinely belt the ball 500+ feet, but all of a sudden he was doing that as if it were normal.

[rsox]

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If you look at Sosa in 1998 with the Cubs as many have said he was huge and crushed everything he hit for 4 straight years. By 2003 when the league started to test the power numbers started to drop and by the time he was traded to the Orioles in 2005 he was half the size he was just a few years before, the power was gone, and it looked at times like he could not even swing the bat around.

[wwharton]

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I'm not so sure that the prevalence of steroids is significantly higher in batters than pitchers. We have Clemens, Pettitte, and a bunch of minor league pitchers that have gotten suspended in recent times. Not saying that batters probably have used more, I just don't think you can say most pitchers.

don't have a source but it's been said that there have been more pitchers caught than hitters. Something like 57 to 52 I think.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/news/mitchell/players.jsp

That's the Mitchell Report right from the source, with all the players who were in it. All that article says is he was suspected for using steroids, which he denied and if it were a big lie I would expect him to be in a perjury case by now.

About the bat, it was one time and I believe his excuse, if it were something he were trying to do all those bats they scanned would of had cork in them, So they checked all his bats current bats, plus bats from the past when he hit 60's and other milestones

You're just saying the EXACT same thing I am, but adding excuses as to why they should be ignored. The question is if there's ANY reason to think Sammy used steroids. I listed plenty of reasons to think he did. There's nothing to say that he definitely did but it's still silly to act like there's no reason to think he did. Being caught cheating once is enough for suspicion and there's reason to believe he's lied also. Sorry you can't see through the clouds but there's more reason to think Sosa used steroids than Big Mac.

[Kashanova]

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don't have a source but it's been said that there have been more pitchers caught than hitters. Something like 57 to 52 I think.



You're just saying the EXACT same thing I am, but adding excuses as to why they should be ignored. The question is if there's ANY reason to think Sammy used steroids. I listed plenty of reasons to think he did. There's nothing to say that he definitely did but it's still silly to act like there's no reason to think he did. Being caught cheating once is enough for suspicion and there's reason to believe he's lied also. Sorry you can't see through the clouds but there's more reason to think Sosa used steroids than Big Mac.

LOL now I see whats driving your arguement against sosa lol.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2009/01/21/2009-01-21_jay_mcgwire_pitching_book_detailing_brot-1.html

By the way when ever your brother says your using roid's its never good. Not only that but Big Mac was in the Mitchell Report. Not only has Canseco gone out and said he injected Big Mac, but the dailynews even broke the story of him jucing in 2005. Also I believe the media found Andro in his locker but you'd probably think it wasn't his right.

Also no to those who say sosa forgot english at the hearings, He was asked if he used and say No. Didn't get a perjury charge right? tells you something imo

[Kashanova]

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If you look at Sosa in 1998 with the Cubs as many have said he was huge and crushed everything he hit for 4 straight years. By 2003 when the league started to test the power numbers started to drop and by the time he was traded to the Orioles in 2005 he was half the size he was just a few years before, the power was gone, and it looked at times like he could not even swing the bat around.

Another thing was was by 2005 he was old that's what happen when you get old you lost your power

[wwharton]

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LOL now I see whats driving your arguement against sosa lol.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2009/01/21/2009-01-21_jay_mcgwire_pitching_book_detailing_brot-1.html

By the way when ever your brother says your using roid's its never good. Not only that but Big Mac was in the Mitchell Report. Not only has Canseco gone out and said he injected Big Mac, but the dailynews even broke the story of him jucing in 2005. Also I believe the media found Andro in his locker but you'd probably think it wasn't his right.

Also no to those who say sosa forgot english at the hearings, He was asked if he used and say No. Didn't get a perjury charge right? tells you something imo

What's driving my argument? I like Sosa and have seen him first hand when he played for my team, the O's. I could care less about McGwire. More importantly, I really don't care who's used steroids. I'm not re-writing my christmas card list to cut out everyone who we found out used a drug that's now banned instead of the thousands of others that are still allowed.

You just have very bad debating skills. Instead of trying to figure out some hidden agenda by me you can just read exactly what I write.

[dave_sz]

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mark grace.
wasn't the steroid era like mid 90's and a few years forward? Why are most of the players listed in this thread, from the 2k years?

[Kashanova]

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What's driving my argument? I like Sosa and have seen him first hand when he played for my team, the O's. I could care less about McGwire. More importantly, I really don't care who's used steroids. I'm not re-writing my christmas card list to cut out everyone who we found out used a drug that's now banned instead of the thousands of others that are still allowed.

You just have very bad debating skills. Instead of trying to figure out some hidden agenda by me you can just read exactly what I write.

Debating Skills? who's debating. i'm posting facts.