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Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)
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Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)
This guy is ridiculous. NYers love him too. I never got it. He talks out of his a** and hardly ever makes any sense.
He got upset because Alex (the caller) mentions that Joba has had one of the top ERAs in baseball since he became a starter. Yet, Mike counters that by comparing Joba's last five starts with Porcello? Haha. Of course, he's like a politician. Just twist things to look good. I can find five games in which Jeter went 1-20 and compare that to Placido Polanco during a stretch he went 7-20 and argue that Polanco is a better hitter.
Also, this echoes the truth about most Yankees fans: they are delusional. Joba Chamberlain has an ERA under 4, yet it's a crisis because he doesn't have an ERA under 2. Lets be serious. Since when is an ERA under 4 horrible? Sure, ERA isn't everything, but it's extremely difficult to argue that a starter with an ERA under 4 is not a good starter.
What the heck is Mike really talking about here by demanding Joba back to the bullpen? He's really just upset because the Yankees didn't beat Seattle Sunday afternoon."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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I think it's mainly due to people acting like Joba is some kind of god-like young pitcher, when his average start is 5 innings, 3 ERs, 4 BB's, 8 K's. He gets ridiculous hype just because he strikes people out.
His ERA might impress me, if he threw over 5 innings more than once every two months. You can find lots of guys who will give you an ERA under 4 if they only throw 5 innings a game.
I know his stats are promising for the future and all of that, I just never see it happening with him. I see a guy who is going to blow his arm out if they don't use him in the bullpen, and it's not worth his mediocre starts to have him in the rotation.
But hey, it's an experiment.Comment
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Looking through his game logs, I'm not sure if he's ever had a start that is really similar to that line you posted. If that was his average start, his stats wouldn't be what they are.I think it's mainly due to people acting like Joba is some kind of god-like young pitcher, when his average start is 5 innings, 3 ERs, 4 BB's, 8 K's. He gets ridiculous hype just because he strikes people out.
His ERA might impress me, if he threw over 5 innings more than once every two months. You can find lots of guys who will give you an ERA under 4 if they only throw 5 innings a game.
I know his stats are promising for the future and all of that, I just never see it happening with him. I see a guy who is going to blow his arm out if they don't use him in the bullpen, and it's not worth his mediocre starts to have him in the rotation.
But hey, it's an experiment.
The experiment was putting him in the bullpen in the first place. He's a starter until he completely fails as a starter.Originally posted by Jay BilasComment
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I'm pretty sure if I look through his starts, I'm going to see more 5 IP's 3-4 ER's 4 BB's starts than anything else.Comment
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He's had 20 starts and has thrown 5 innings or less in 8 of them (including the start he threw 0.2 and left because of injury). It's over exaggerated.
He actually averages (totals/20):
6.1 IP
3.3 ER
3.1 BB
5.45 K
He's also 23 years old.
edit: I made a mistake here. He's had 23 starts. So his stats (per start) are:
5.4 IP
2.4 ER
2.7 BB
4.7 KLast edited by CMH; 08-18-2009, 02:39 PM."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Also, most guys only throwing 5 IP a game would have a harder time getting their ERA under 4.
A guy routinely being taken out of the game after 5 is likely over throwing and/or giving up too many runs. Why would a manager pull a great pitcher after 5 unless maybe that pitcher is under a strict pitch count?"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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This is the part that Mike doesn't understand.
Joba was always a starter. Always. He was placed into the bullpen because he was ready for the majors and there was no space in the rotation.
Mike sounds ridiculous arguing that Hughes "is a starter", Pettitte "is a starter." Uh, so is Joba. It's not as if he was a bullpen guy throughout college and the minors and now the Yanks want to switch him. He was always a starter.
Why can't people get that into their heads?"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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he isn't paid to be smart, rational, or even intelligent...much less coherent with reality.
like glen beck and the like he is paid to simply fill space. the content is NEVER given any consideration until he pulls a Don Imus.
It doesn't matter what he says, as long as people listen and fill the remainder of space with their phone calls.
There was a time, I am told, when journalists had to have some credibility and took it upon themselves to have integrity regarding what they said/wrote. Not all of them...mind you. There has been a slow decline, since Hearst if not before, into the brand of journalism and commentary we have today...
I mean, look at Wilbon on BSPN's PTI....the guy rarely has a ****ing clue, yet he has one of the biggest forums out there.
BSPN's stranglehold on sports entertainment and info is more an indicator of Socialism than Health Care...boy, that is way OffTopic...Australian Rules Football...just sayin'Comment
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True. It's scary, however, because he's an important source for a lot of news Yankees.
Lots of fans take his opinion as truth. When he says things like "Joba is not a starter," fans believe it without asking themselves if it's true.
It's the same deal with Jeter.
My brother recently told me a story of a baseball fan that didn't watch much baseball. The exchange went like this:
Clueless Fan: So, how many homeruns does Jeter have this year?
Brother: 12.
Clueless Fan: Only 12? He's having a bad year, huh?
Brother: No. That's about right for Jeter. He only hits about 15 a season.
Clueless Fan: ...huh? Only 15?
Brother: Yea...
Clueless Fan: But, isn't he the best player in baseball?
Brother: He's definitely a good player, but he doesn't hit homeruns like that.
Clueless Fan: ...(speechless)*
*It was at this point that his world was shattered with truth.
The media is bad for fans."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Not when you're struggling with your control and putting runners on, pitching out of it a few times, and then you get pulled at 5 innings. I'd really like to see what happens if he's in that 6th inning, he probably gets lit up. If he was treated like a real starting pitcher and actually had to go out there and try to throw 9 innings a game, his ERA would balloon, I'm positive of it.
He has a bunch of games where he goes 4-6 innings, and then like two or three starts where he goes 7 and gives up no runs. So his ERA isn't out of control or anything. Yankee fans overrate him off of the numbers so much, they're really not that impressive.Comment
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I think it's more likely that fans underrate his performances than they overrate him.
I'm not calling the guy the greatest pitcher, but he's a good starter with good numbers. It's hardly a reason to think he needs to be sent to the bullpen. A guy who is getting lit up needs to head to the pen. A starter that is holding his own and keeping his team in the game, doesn't.
That's the real argument here. Fans want him in the pen because they think he is horrible. Fans that want him in the rotation are basically saying that he's done a good job and is still young. It's a knee jerk reaction to send him to the bullpen based off of 24 IP in 2007.
That's the other wild thing. He threw 24 innings in 2007 and that's what people are using as a basis to determine that he is better suited for that role. It was 24 Innings as a rookie pitcher with electric stuff. Those things tend to happen. They don't last that long.
Also, any pitcher would have his ERA balloon if he pitched into the ninth. By that time, he's likely thrown well over 100 pitches and that we already know affects performance.
I already made the point that a guy getting pulled after 5 is either getting hit hard or over throwing - which would mean he's walking guys and pitching out of tough spots for 5 innings. We know that Joba has put himself through that. But, he's done it for the most part in every inning. Pitching out of the pen isn't going to change that. If he doesn't become more consistent with strikes, then it doesn't matter what role he's in; he'll have a tough time either way."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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More from the big guy:
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/1q-psVKy9v4&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1q-psVKy9v4&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>Originally posted by Jay BilasComment
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