Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

[snepp]

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Surprise, surprise.

Yes, Adam Dunn is the greatest baseball player of all time, without question. Clearly that's what everyone has been saying about him in all these threads. Your obviously unbiased opinion on the subject has allowed you to realize this though, so no need to tell you all over again.

[Ewing]

Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

Way too much logic, way too many facts, and not nearly enough "he's not a gamer" hyperbole. Dunn clearly doesn't love the game, that's why the Nationals are 0-7.

Yeah, Dunn didn't have enough dirt on his uniform or enough pine tar on his batting helmet like the greatest player in baseball, David Eckstein.

[Coug00]

Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

Here we go again

I know, I know. According to some of you, Adam Dunn is the best player in the MLB to have on your team. He gets on base better than anyone and makes all teams so much better. In fact, when he and Griffey were traded last year the Reds did MUCH worse without them. And Dunn went on to hit another 20 home runs. Wait a second. Did that really happen?

Guys this is getting old. The saber guys have every statistic in the world to prove how valuable Dunn is, but apparently no MLB team out there outside of WAS were willing to pay him all that money he is worth. I really wish the MLB teams would call all you guys so you can explain to them how great he is. I mean he is getting a real disservice as it is, I am sure you guys could set them straight. Just make sure you tell them they better trade him away by August or they won't see anymore production. I will give you this, if the season ended August 1 or maybe even August 31, then Dunn would likely be one of the most sought after players in the pros. Unfortunately for him, and the Nats, he is HORRIBLE in September so if by chance whatever team he is on happens to make it to the playoffs because of him, they WILL be knocked out because of him as well.

Seriously though, can we please stop with the incessant talk about freaking Adam Dunn? It is so old and overplayed at this point. This has to be at least the 4th different thread in the past 9 months to talk about him and how great he is.

[PhantomPain]

Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

Surprise, surprise.

Yes, Adam Dunn is the greatest baseball player of all time, without question. Clearly that's what everyone has been saying about him in all these threads. Your obviously unbiased opinion on the subject has allowed you to realize this though, so no need to tell you all over again.

I'm sorry snepp, did you forget to put your sarcasm goggles on? Obviously no one thinks he is the greatest player ever but the argument that you guys make comes across like he is one of the Top 5-10 players in baseball. Which is just not true.

[Coug00]

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I'm sorry snepp, did you forget to put your sarcasm goggles on? Obviously no one thinks he is the greatest player ever but the argument that you guys make comes across like he is one of the Top 5-10 players in baseball. Which is just not true.

I would like you to provide me one link from any of the SABR guys on this site saying Adam Dunn is one of the Top 5-10 players in the game.

[PhantomPain]

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I would like you to provide me one link from any of the SABR guys on this site saying Adam Dunn is one of the Top 5-10 players in the game.

Coug00, re-read the part you bolded again. I clearly said that the argument you guys make comes across like he is one of the top 5-10 players in baseball. Operative words being "comes across" as I bolded.

[Coug00]

Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

Coug00, re-read the part you bolded again. I clearly said that the argument you guys make comes across like he is one of the top 5-10 players in baseball. Operative words being "comes across" as I bolded.

No one here has ever stated or implied Adam Dunn is one of the top 5-10 players in baseball. The only argument I've ever seen is that he's a damn good hitter, and that's it. I can't help it if you interpret damn good hitter as Top 5-10 in baseball.

[PhantomPain]

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No one here has ever stated or implied Adam Dunn is one of the top 5-10 players in baseball. The only argument I've ever seen is that he's a damn good hitter, and that's it. I can't help it if you interpret damn good hitter as Top 5-10 in baseball.

That's ok because I can't help it if the 5-10 of you on this board seem to be in the complete MINORITY as to how good of a hitter Dunn actually is. I know, I know. You have all these formulas to back everything up. I have the fact that he played in Cincy for years and didn't become a good hitter when it counted the most. But in your eyes, I am sure, the formulas are the end all, be all.

It is a fruitless argument because you guys are right. Just ask ya.

[Ewing]

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I have the fact that he played in Cincy for years and didn't become a good hitter when it counted the most.

Career Late & Close: .213/.387/.486
Career September Splits: .223/.358/.432
Career "Clutch": -1.22

Yeah, he may not be a god "when it matters most" but I'd like to point out that the games in April - August mean just as much as the games in September. If you don't win those games, you won't be in position to make the playoffs anyway.

However, Dunn is one of the top 50 players in the game today and has more raw power than just about anyone.

[PhantomPain]

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Career Late & Close: .213/.387/.486
Career September Splits: .223/.358/.432
Career "Clutch": -1.22

Yeah, he may not be a god "when it matters most" but I'd like to point out that the games in April - August mean just as much as the games in September. If you don't win those games, you won't be in position to make the playoffs anyway.

However, Dunn is one of the top 50 players in the game today and has more raw power than just about anyone.

I knew we would find something to agree on.

[Coug00]

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That's ok because I can't help it if the 5-10 of you on this board seem to be in the complete MINORITY as to how good of a hitter Dunn actually is. I know, I know. You have all these formulas to back everything up. I have the fact that he played in Cincy for years and didn't become a good hitter when it counted the most. But in your eyes, I am sure, the formulas are the end all, be all.

It is a fruitless argument because you guys are right. Just ask ya.

So the majority of this board thinks Dunn is a terrible hitter? Have anything to back that up? Or, once again, are you trying to push something as fact based on your opinion?

[PhantomPain]

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So the majority of this board thinks Dunn is a terrible hitter? Have anything to back that up? Or, once again, are you trying to push something as fact based on your opinion?

Wow Coug00, you are having some comprehension problems with my posts in this thread. Maybe there is a setting that makes it so you can't comprehend my particular posts, I don't know. But since I used a word, once again, that doesn't define anything as an absolute, I am not sure why you would suggest that I did. Even funnier that you continually quote or even bold some of the things I am saying and still don't comprehend them correctly.

I will point out what I said just one more time. After this you will have to figure out where you went wrong all on your own. Ready?

If you look in the very first sentence of the post that YOU (Coug00) quoted, you will find a four letter word there that does not equate to an absolute. Do you know what it is? Still can't figure it out? Ok I will tell you. The word is "seem."

Now if you want to have a conversation with me about how your statistics and formulas are the absolute truth, eventhough it would be boring to me, it certainly would be better than you trying to spin everything I post to make me look bad. If you want to get technical with me on statistics, then I am going to get technical with you on reading comprehension. See how that goes? Two can play that game, but truly it is boring.

And no, Coug00, I don't have any statistical formulas to show you how each and every member of OS feels about the BIG DONKEY that you find so lovable. Does that make you feel better? Do you feel like you just got yourself a big, fat win? Have you ever seen a poll on this site that asks "Who thinks that Adam "the Donkey that sucks" Dunn is a good player? No, I haven't either.

If I felt it was worth my time, I would go back to the other 4-5 threads and count how many people have commented on the Donkey positive or negative. But here is the kicker...I just don't care enough to go back through all that over a player that sucks and one that I couldn't care less about. Like I said, it is a fruitless argument with you guys because you are always right, and you know this.

[CMH]

Re: Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

Here we go again

I know, I know. According to some of you, Adam Dunn is the best player in the MLB to have on your team. He gets on base better than anyone and makes all teams so much better. In fact, when he and Griffey were traded last year the Reds did MUCH worse without them. And Dunn went on to hit another 20 home runs. Wait a second. Did that really happen?

Ignoring the convo you're having with Coug, I have to quote this.

I think it needs to be made clear that no one here is saying that Dunn is the best player to have on your team. I really wasn't even arguing how good he is.

My post was made because peavy44 said that Dunn was the reason the Reds struggled the past few years and that it's no surprise his team is now 0-7.

So, I pointed out facts rather than hyperbole claiming he's the reason the Reds were terrible or the Nationals are terrible. I mean, let's ignore that the Nationals have been terrible for a few years now, I guess.

No one here tried to say that Dunn was amazing. We just tried to understand how someone can blame one player for a franchise's woes. It's (can I use the word again?) ludicrous.

[CMH]

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Let me also say that Dunn just happened to be the player that was a part of this new discussion.

Had peavy44 mentioned another former Red and then stated how his new team is performing, I would have swooped in and argued against it too.

The real issue is that everyone wants to blame Dunn for the Reds' struggles the past few years. How can someone who drove in so many runs for a team be a negative? It's mind boggling.

This isn't about him being super valuable or the greatest player ever. It's about facts. The man is driving in runs every year for his team, getting on-base to score runs and give his teammates an opportunity to drive him in, and instead people want to call him lazy and detrimental to the success of the club because...well, I don't know. His defense? Can't be. Too many guys in baseball play defense poorly. His average? Ryan Howard is loved so this can't be it either. His passion? Oh, that's it. Dunn is a passive guy, doesn't show emotion so therefore he is a bad guy to have around your team.

That isn't ludicrous to you?

[CMH]

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And yes I just indirectly mentioned Ryan Howard. I'm only doing that because we've had this discussion and it's easier to reference what we both already know.

Let me end this little blurb of paragraphs by stating that I DO NOT THINK RYAN HOWARD SUCKS.

Ok. Hopefully, that was clear so I don't have to hear endless rants about his amazing power.