Raul Ibanez rips one of our OS members.

[Coug00]

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Mentioning his name in a sentence w/ PEDs...Not defamatory?

That's a rather large blanket you just laid down. IMO, it depends on the intent and how the sentence/paragraph/blog/article is constructed. To me, JRod's post isn't close to defamatory.

I consider this defamatory, with intent...

We’re throwing out Beltre [from NL MVP contention] since, while he denies ever using PEDs, he fell off the face of the planet once baseball put in stricter steroid suspensions in 2005. If he wasn’t cheating, I’m the Queen Mother.

[Dallasin2K3]

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First of all, it's a blog. I don't care what the journalists on OTL said, bloggers are not bound by the same standards as newspaper and magazine writers. It's the internet. There's no accountability, no credibility, and no obligation to abide by any "standards" that Joe Schmo from the Times Weekly refers to. That's partially because of the platform itself - impossible to regulate, so take it for what it's worth. It's just a bunch of babble and opinions on the internet, none of which need to conform to anything. This is both good and bad, and it is the nature of the internet.

Along with that, to Raul Ibanez: if you don't want people on their BLOGS speculating about your steriods use, don't be a part of a pro union that has prevented adequate testing of PED's for players like you. Don't play in the most drug-enhanced sport on the planet. Don't have a career year out of nowhere at almost 40 years of age. What do you expect the bloggers to think? That somehow you are different from all the other MLB schmucks who were in your shoes 5 and 10 years ago, and low and behold, were on PEDs? Please. You're a professional athlete, and you're going to get talked about. The speculation is only logical, and if it's going to bother you, go work at a bank or something.

[daflyboys]

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I swear, if I were a clean pro athlete these days, I wouldn't watch, read or listen to anything related to my sport.

[SoxFan01605]

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I swear, if I were a clean pro athlete these days, I wouldn't watch, read or listen to anything related to my sport.

As ANY public figure, you're probably best served by following that advice to a degree regardless. It's an unfortunate part of the trade-off. Millions of dollars and public success, but having to have people openly discuss what you do. Some guys just understand it or deal with it better than others is all.

[snepp]

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Mentioning his name in a sentence w/ PEDs...Not defamatory?

Given your repeated ridiculous comments, I'm going to have to suggest you go and actually read the article and save yourself the embarrassment.

[snepp]

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I consider this defamatory, with intent...

We’re throwing out Beltre [from NL MVP contention] since, while he denies ever using PEDs, he fell off the face of the planet once baseball put in stricter steroid suspensions in 2005. If he wasn’t cheating, I’m the Queen Mother.

He didn't write it from his mother's basement so that makes it ok.

[JBH3]

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Given your repeated ridiculous comments, I'm going to have to suggest you go and actually read the article and save yourself the embarrassment.

I did read it...Maybe I should take my homer goggles off?

[ryan36]

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Has JRod weighed in on this here? lol I'd be interested to see.

[ryan36]

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Oh, and hey you guys should read The Seattle Times Mariners blog by Geoff Baker. He was as bad as Rosenthal and the readers let him have it!

[Coug00]

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Oh, and hey you guys should read The Seattle Times Mariners blog by Geoff Baker. He was as bad as Rosenthal and the readers let him have it!

I've never seen a more arrogant, ego-stroking, self-promoting, hypocritical beat writer that Geoff Baker. SPTO, Toronto, TAKE HIM BACK!

I did have to laugh when Baker said his good friend Rosenthal "eviscerated" JRod on OTL. I must have watched a different program with JRod and Rosenthal than him.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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He offered FACT on a player having a career year. PEDs and Raul Ibanez...no facts there...just speculation. Speculation...Why? Because he's a jaded baseball fan?

For any player I'd rather we let them play, and accomplish their feats under the assumption of "innocent until proven guilty".

How can numbers on the baseball field be speculations?

And once more, he never said he was on the juice. Quote right here where he said that.

[JBH3]

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How can numbers on the baseball field be speculations?

And once more, he never said he was on the juice. Quote right here where he said that.

His whole blog is eluding to it...Why fuel this kind of stuff is what I'm saying. Just let it go, and if he pops positive he pops positive.

In fact, the 37-year old Ibanez has been so good that it has led to the inevitable speculation that his improvement may be attributable to factors other than his new lineup, playing in a better ballpark for hitters, or additional maturation as a hitter. In this day and age of suspicion at any significant jump in numbers, even over small sample sizes, it is what it is - and such speculation is to be expected.

Thirdly, it’s time for me to begrudgingly acknowledge the elephant in the room: any aging hitter who puts up numbers this much better than his career averages is going to immediately generate suspicion that the numbers are not natural, that perhaps he is under the influence of some sort of performance enhancer. And since I was not able to draw any absolute parallels between his prodigously improved HR rate and his new ballpark’s hitter-friendliness, it would be foolish to dismiss the possibility that “other” performance enhancers could be part of the equation.

-OR- It would be foolish to be a jaded baseball fan, and not just let nature take its course rather than try and play Mr. Fangraph w/ our park factors and try dismiss Ibanez for something he has no carnal knowledge that he did or did not do.

Sorry Raul Ibanez and Major League Baseball, that’s just the era that we are in — testing or no testing.
Personally, I am withholding judgment until we see a full seasons’ worth of stats.

lol...the blog in of itself is a judgement. He's basically indicted Ibanez on PED use. At least that's the way I see it.

[snepp]

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lol...the blog in of itself is a judgement. He's basically indicted Ibanez on PED use. At least that's the way I see it.

I think you've been reading too many of those hacks in Philly who try to pass themselves off as "journalists".

At least that's the way I see it. :wink:

[SPTO]

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I've never seen a more arrogant, ego-stroking, self-promoting, hypocritical beat writer that Geoff Baker. SPTO, Toronto, TAKE HIM BACK!

I did have to laugh when Baker said his good friend Rosenthal "eviscerated" JRod on OTL. I must have watched a different program with JRod and Rosenthal than him.

Eh? I think you may be confusing Mr. Baker with Jeff Blair who himself, is a bit of an egotist but he knows it and doesn't hide it. Actually he's probably the 2nd best guy in the newspaper business that knows baseball (the first would be Stephen Brunt)

[CMH]

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lol...the blog in of itself is a judgement. He's basically indicted Ibanez on PED use. At least that's the way I see it.

He wrote that people will have speculation and for good reason. He only alluded to it because it's an obvious question that people are going to have considering the environment.

You're really piling on here for no reason. JRod didn't charge Ibanez with a crime. He only wrote what some people were thinking.