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  • CoRruPt-
    MVP
    • Jun 2005
    • 1279

    #46
    Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

    Originally posted by Ewing
    On December 14, in a blockbuster trade, the Diamondbacks acquired starting RHP Dan Haren from the Oakland Athletics for six players: LHP Brett Anderson, LHP Dana Eveland and LHP Greg Smith; the above-mentioned just-acquired infielder Chris Carter; and outfielders Aaron Cunningham and Carlos Gonzalez.

    You're right, they commit highway robbery of another team's minor league system.
    That's 'cause it's Billy Beane doing the robbing. Unfortunately JP learned absolutely nothing during his time in Oakland so we can only dream of trying to dismantle another team's farm like that.

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    • Ewing
      Banned
      • Mar 2009
      • 863

      #47
      Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

      Originally posted by CoRruPt-
      That's 'cause it's Billy Beane doing the robbing. Unfortunately JP learned absolutely nothing during his time in Oakland.
      I'm waiting to see what Billy can swindle for Matt Holliday. I'm thinking he's gonna rob the Giants blind.

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      • snepp
        We'll waste him too.
        • Apr 2003
        • 10007

        #48
        Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

        Originally posted by Ewing
        Nah, I know, he's gonna level out, he's just been killing my fantasy team with inconsistency. One thing worrying me is the amount of hits though. However, if I'm the Phillies and I had to pick between Hamels and Halladay, I'm going Halladay.
        Well, when that BABIP drops to where it should be, the hits won't be there. :wink:

        No doubt Roy is a beast though, he's ridiculous.
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        • CWood2
          TNA & WWE thanks you
          • May 2004
          • 4356

          #49
          Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

          If I'm the Tampa Bay Rays, only 4 games behind the almighty Sox and Yanks, I have to atleast think about the cost. Because let's face it ... they have all the pieces. They could include Desmond Jennings and not lose sleep with BJ and Carl already in the OF. They could lose Gordan Beckham and still have Bartlett (Madden's favorite player) and Brignac. Wade David, Jake McGhee, Jeff Neimann, have them. I would even dangle Scott Kazmir over David Price, who I'm sure is the first guy they'd ask for. Or if they want some MLB talent, maybe move Crawford since he's going to cost you some money soon.

          At any rate, TB has TONS of young talent. I don't think David Price gets moved for anyone because he's under control for so long and has the potential to be the game's premiere left hander. But for Roy Halladay, this era's greatest innings eater and arguably the most efficient hurler going today ... TB has what it takes, but will they move the youth Toronto is asking for??

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          • Ewing
            Banned
            • Mar 2009
            • 863

            #50
            Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

            Originally posted by snepp
            Well, when that BABIP drops to where it should be, the hits won't be there. :wink:

            No doubt Roy is a beast though, he's ridiculous.
            Yeah, it's going to drop, but by how much? Not every pitcher is going to have the average BABIP of .290. His could stay pretty high.

            Originally posted by CWood2
            If I'm the Tampa Bay Rays, only 4 games behind the almighty Sox and Yanks, I have to atleast think about the cost. Because let's face it ... they have all the pieces. They could include Desmond Jennings and not lose sleep with BJ and Carl already in the OF. They could lose Gordan Beckham and still have Bartlett (Madden's favorite player) and Brignac. Wade David, Jake McGhee, Jeff Neimann, have them. I would even dangle Scott Kazmir over David Price, who I'm sure is the first guy they'd ask for. Or if they want some MLB talent, maybe move Crawford since he's going to cost you some money soon.

            At any rate, TB has TONS of young talent. I don't think David Price gets moved for anyone because he's under control for so long and has the potential to be the game's premiere left hander. But for Roy Halladay, this era's greatest innings eater and arguably the most efficient hurler going today ... TB has what it takes, but will they move the youth Toronto is asking for??
            The Rays don't need to trade for anyone and they wouldn't give up any of their pieces within the division, either.

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            • CWood2
              TNA & WWE thanks you
              • May 2004
              • 4356

              #51
              Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

              Originally posted by Ewing
              The Rays don't need to trade for anyone and they wouldn't give up any of their pieces within the division, either.
              Don't disagree at all. I'm more intrigued by the temptation they must be feeling to compete in that division, and having more pieces to make it happen than any other team in baseball.

              If I was in their shoes, I stick to the plan and build around the kids. But Roy Halladay is THAT GOOD that he'll probably get a conversation brewing in every GM's office for the simple fact he's THAT GOOD!

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              • JBH3
                Marvel's Finest
                • Jan 2007
                • 13506

                #52
                Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                Originally posted by Ewing
                91 ERA+, 1.39 WHIP, 12.6 baserunners per 9

                WHAT AN ACE


                Are you really serious. He's had a subpar year, but he's an ace. There's still a whole 2nd half of baseball to go too.
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                All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                • CoRruPt-
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 1279

                  #53
                  Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                  Originally posted by CWood2
                  If I'm the Tampa Bay Rays, only 4 games behind the almighty Sox and Yanks, I have to atleast think about the cost. Because let's face it ... they have all the pieces. They could include Desmond Jennings and not lose sleep with BJ and Carl already in the OF. They could lose Gordan Beckham and still have Bartlett (Madden's favorite player) and Brignac. Wade David, Jake McGhee, Jeff Neimann, have them. I would even dangle Scott Kazmir over David Price, who I'm sure is the first guy they'd ask for. Or if they want some MLB talent, maybe move Crawford since he's going to cost you some money soon.

                  At any rate, TB has TONS of young talent. I don't think David Price gets moved for anyone because he's under control for so long and has the potential to be the game's premiere left hander. But for Roy Halladay, this era's greatest innings eater and arguably the most efficient hurler going today ... TB has what it takes, but will they move the youth Toronto is asking for??
                  Makes no sense to get Crawford with our outfield situation pretty much set for the next several years. We're not unloading Wells or Rios in the near future and Lind/Snider is basically going to be platooning LF together down the road. We don't need OF's.

                  Kazmir has struggled this season for whatever reason so his value's down. Not to mention we have a plethora of lefties in our system: Romero, Purcey, Mills, Cecil, Rzep-whatever kid that played in the 2nd TB/TOR game...

                  Unless the deal involves David Price, there is no discussion here, which TB would never trade. The price of getting Halladay just mortgages too much of the Rays' future to compete in this division for the long haul.

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                  • JBH3
                    Marvel's Finest
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 13506

                    #54
                    Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                    Originally posted by CoRruPt-
                    Makes no sense to get Crawford with our outfield situation pretty much set for the next several years. We're not unloading Wells or Rios in the near future and Lind/Snider is basically going to be platooning LF together down the road. We don't need OF's.

                    Kazmir has struggled this season for whatever reason so his value's down. Not to mention we have a plethora of lefties in our system: Romero, Purcey, Mills, Cecil, Rzep-whatever kid that played in the 2nd TB/TOR game...

                    Unless the deal involves David Price, there is no discussion here, which TB would never trade. The price of getting Halladay just mortgages too much of the Rays' future to compete in this division for the long haul.
                    I wouldn't say your OF is set. I guess by default seeing as how no one would want to take on Wells so you're stuck w/ him.

                    Lind is mostly DH'ing right so that leaves another body to platoon in left. If you DID get Crawford than he immediately becomes your best OF'er.
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                    All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                    • Ruffy
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 1516

                      #55
                      Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                      Originally posted by JBH3
                      I wouldn't say your OF is set. I guess by default seeing as how no one would want to take on Wells so you're stuck w/ him.

                      Lind is mostly DH'ing right so that leaves another body to platoon in left. If you DID get Crawford than he immediately becomes your best OF'er.
                      If they Jays deal Halladay they are committed to a bit of a rebuild. Hell they just dumped Ryan for nothing....flat out 15 mil buh bye. They are not interested in anything but big time prospects/young solid players back. They wouldn't want Crawford at all.

                      They are stuck with Wells, Rios they both were signed to show Roy the Jays were committed to trying to win. They don't want him demanding an out then your value really drops for him.

                      Rios they tried to dump to SF for Lincecum like the hell the year before Tim got the Cy Young.

                      I think they are putting it out there in hopes a team sees another rival is willing to spend for him and then its gets crazy.

                      There will be backlash when or if hes dealt for sure. He's a big gate attraction as almost all of his home starts have big jump in attendance.

                      So far most writers in Toronto feel the Phillies and the Angels have the most talent to pay for what they Jays want. Doesn't mean either will do it though.
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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #56
                        Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                        Originally posted by JBH3
                        I wouldn't say your OF is set. I guess by default seeing as how no one would want to take on Wells so you're stuck w/ him.
                        In two years the OF will be pretty much set with Lind, Wells and Rios. If the Jays don't develop someone quickly or get someone in free agency or trade I can see Snider being the 1B for this team. The DH spot would probably have to come from somewhere else.
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                        • pfunk880
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 4452

                          #57
                          Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                          Originally posted by kujoking7
                          Actually, manny parra shut down the cards today, pujols going 0-3.
                          Well, yeah, but I need to see him do that more consistently. Point being, I'd still trade him in a package for Halliday in a heartbeat.
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                          • rsox
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6309

                            #58
                            Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                            Tampa Bay would never jump in on this in a million years. They don't have the money and they are not going to part with David Price and i can't see any team offering them an elite player without Price as part of the deal.

                            And to JBH3 who suggested sending Jayson Werth to Toronto as part of the trade: the Jays had Werth a few years ago and deemed him uncoachable so it is very unlikely they would want him back.
                            Last edited by rsox; 07-10-2009, 06:17 PM.

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                            • rsox
                              All Star
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6309

                              #59
                              Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                              Originally posted by asianflow
                              Unless Albert is going the other way (which would never happen), I have no interest in trading with the Cards. Outside of Wallace, the Cards farm system has very little to offer. Most of the Jays reporters believe the Phlls and Angels make the most sense as trade partners. The Halo's have some nice young prospects and an established young starter in Weaver but the problem is that his agent is Scott Boras.

                              Like I said earlier, the Jays should just hold onto Halladay.
                              Peter Gammons talked about St.Louis earlier today and mentioned they would probably have to get another team involved to get the necessary pieces for the deal. He mentioned the Red Sox and Clay Buchholz figuering the Cardinals would have to trade one of their bats (Ankiel or Ludwick most likely) to get him.

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                              • pfunk880
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 4452

                                #60
                                Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                                Originally posted by rsox
                                Peter Gammons talked about St.Louis earlier today and mentioned they would probably have to get another team involved to get the necessary pieces for the deal. He mentioned the Red Sox and Clay Buchholz figuering the Cardinals would have to trade one of their bats (Ankiel or Ludwick most likely) to get him.
                                What kind of value do Ankiel and Ludwick have right now?
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