Roy Halladay on the block?

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

Yep, I was hearing it was Bum, Sanchez and either Posey or Ald. That is a tough one to pass up for both teams in my opinion. Especially if Rios is involved. But when his is contract up by the way?

Rios's contract:

10: 9.7 million
11: 12 million
12: 12 million
13: 12.5 million
14: 12.5 million
15: 13.5 million (1 million buyout)

If the Giants offered Posey, Bumgarner, Sanchez, and an A ball pitching prospect for Doc and Rios, I would take that trade.

That package includes 2 top 10 prospects, a major leaguer that still has upside, and another pitching prospect.

[Scottdau]

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Rios's contract:

10: 9.7 million
11: 12 million
12: 12 million
13: 12.5 million
14: 12.5 million
15: 13.5 million (1 million buyout)

If the Giants offered Posey, Bumgarner, Sanchez, and an A ball pitching prospect for Doc and Rios, I would take that trade.

That package includes 2 top 10 prospects, a major leaguer that still has upside, and another pitching prospect.

I don't see the Giants doing that. But I would think about it. With Cain and Timmy under 25 and Hall that is all you need for awhile. Then they can go out and get one more solid bat!

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I don't see the Giants doing that. But I would think about it. With Cain and Timmy under 25 and Hall that is all you need for awhile. Then they can go out and get one more solid bat!

I think it's worth it for a good club to deal it's top prospects for Halladay. He's not a stretch run rental because he is signed to a below market contract for next season.

Let's say you can't get Doc to sign a longer extention in the off-season, you can still trade him to another team or just let him play out his contract and take the 2 draft picks. By losing Halladay, you would also be clearing payroll room that could be used to take on salaries from other teams or be used to go over slot in the draft or sign international rookies/free agents.

And of course there would be the simple fact of getting one of the best pitchers in baseball.

[Vince]

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Rios is a bum..

[rsox]

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The Giants are more interested in Rios than Halladay. In fact i'm pretty sure any deal between the Giants/Jays would be for Rios without Halladay. Baumgarner and Posey are said to be off limits Which is why every deal seems to center around Sanchez.

The Giants may turn their attention back to Pittsburgh as we know they have been trying to get Freddy Sanchez to play 2B. Sanchez turned down the Pirates contract offer (i don't blame him since he would be taking a paycutt to stay in Pittsburgh). The Giants are going to do something, we just don't know what yet.

[rsox]

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This is the conventional wisdom right now in Toronto, if Halladay is traded the plan of "this team is going to compete in 2010" is dead and the Jays will not only retool but completely rebuild from the ground up. There is a major danger in doing this as it will send a terrible message to a frustrated and angry fanbase and definitely impact the team attendance wise. I also think the fans here DON'T trust JP to undertake a move of this magnitude and the backlash would be horrendous.

Either way, JP can't win.

The thing is they don't need to start rebuliding. They'll have decent pitching next season as they should get Marcum and McGowan back to go with Romero, Richmond, Litsch, Cecil, Tallett, Purcey or whoever they plug into the 5th spot. The bullpen isn't terrible and they can add offensive pieces. Potentially scrapping next season because the team may have to trade one player seems like an almost childish attempt at shifting blame around so no one has to be the bad guy.

[Scottdau]

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The Giants are more interested in Rios than Halladay. In fact i'm pretty sure any deal between the Giants/Jays would be for Rios without Halladay. Baumgarner and Posey are said to be off limits Which is why every deal seems to center around Sanchez.

The Giants may turn their attention back to Pittsburgh as we know they have been trying to get Freddy Sanchez to play 2B. Sanchez turned down the Pirates contract offer (i don't blame him since he would be taking a paycutt to stay in Pittsburgh). The Giants are going to do something, we just don't know what yet.

Yeah I agree. They need to get a bat if they want to make a run at the wild card.

[SPTO]

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The thing is they don't need to start rebuliding. They'll have decent pitching next season as they should get Marcum and McGowan back to go with Romero, Richmond, Litsch, Cecil, Tallett, Purcey or whoever they plug into the 5th spot. The bullpen isn't terrible and they can add offensive pieces. Potentially scrapping next season because the team may have to trade one player seems like an almost childish attempt at shifting blame around so no one has to be the bad guy.

I agree with you totally hence the "conventional wisdom" of my post. I think if the Jays blow this up it's a lame excuse to let JP and the management of the last 8 years off the hook for their mistakes and missteps.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz072809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The Red Sox have offered Buchholz, Bowden, and Westmoreland for Doc.

That's not enough for me to pull the trigger but I do consider it a serious offer. JP needs to call Cashman to tell him the Red Sox have made a serious offer so he better step it up.

I know JP told Cashman he wants Joba+Hughes+2 Top Prospects (likely Montero and Jackson). I would settle for Hughes/Montero/Jackson.

[steelcurtain311]

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Rios's contract:

10: 9.7 million
11: 12 million
12: 12 million
13: 12.5 million
14: 12.5 million
15: 13.5 million (1 million buyout)

If the Giants offered Posey, Bumgarner, Sanchez, and an A ball pitching prospect for Doc and Rios, I would take that trade.

That package includes 2 top 10 prospects, a major leaguer that still has upside, and another pitching prospect.

The Giants would be idiotic to do that. Why would they give up their farm for a pitcher they don't need and a rather weak bat?


If the Sox land Halladay...game over.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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The Giants would be idiotic to do that. Why would they give up their farm for a pitcher they don't need and a rather weak bat?


If the Sox land Halladay...game over.

Yeah the Giants would be stupid to make that trade. It's just as stupid as the Giants offering a package with Sanchez as the main bait.

[OSUFan_88]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

The Red Sox have offered Buchholz, Bowden, and Westmoreland for Doc.

That's not enough for me to pull the trigger but I do consider it a serious offer. JP needs to call Cashman to tell him the Red Sox have made a serious offer so he better step it up.

I know JP told Cashman he wants Joba+Hughes+2 Top Prospects (likely Montero and Jackson). I would settle for Hughes/Montero/Jackson.

That's a pretty insulting offer to the Blue Jays, IMO.

[NYJets]

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I know JP told Cashman he wants Joba+Hughes+2 Top Prospects (likely Montero and Jackson). I would settle for Hughes/Montero/Jackson.

He's either high, or has absolutely no interest in making the trade within the division.

[Misfit]

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That's a pretty insulting offer to the Blue Jays, IMO.

Three of the organization's top 10 prospects is insulting? You have high standards. If Westmoreland were a shortstop (and Boston wasn't in the same division) Toronto would accept that deal in a heartbeat.

I wonder who leaked that deal. Edes once reported for the Boston Globe so he has ties to this area so he may still have sources within the organization. However, this info hitting the media helps Toronto as that is an impressive package and puts the heat on Philadelphia to give up more. It could also get New York and Tampa Bay to make some serious offers.

[SPTO]

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He's either high, or has absolutely no interest in making the trade within the division.

I don't think the Jays really want to trade within the division. The only way they'd do it is if they absolutely rob the other team blind. The rational is that it would be soul crushing to Jays fans to have to face Halladay 5-6 times a year for the Yanks or BoSox and rub the trade in our faces like that.