Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[DrJones]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Um, did I say anything about ME as a fan. I'm talking about things that Halladay said on the record. I'm okay with what she and the family decided to do. When I talked about marring a joyous occasion i'm talking about the behaviour of others, not me. Hell, I just saw a guy saying he's going to boo the crap out of Brandy when the Jays will most likely do a ceremony. That legit horrifies me as that's just insanity.

"...it feels like she's disrespecting her husband's wishes. I mean I sympathize with them but you can tell something was rotten in Denmark with how all official communication since Roy passed came through the Phillies organization."

This isn't your opinion? My apologies.

"This has marred what should be a positive and joyous moment for BOTH fanbases..."

I took this to mean that Brandy's decision marred the moment and was responsible for the behaviour of idiots. Again, I'm sorry for misinterpreting you.

EDIT: I decided to edit out a sarcastic comment at the end. I respect you too much to get all heated like that. Like I said my comment was directed towards the immature fans screaming and placing blame on Brandy over this decision.

Oh, don't hold back on my account. We've shared these boards for a long time.

[SPTO]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

"...it feels like she's disrespecting her husband's wishes. I mean I sympathize with them but you can tell something was rotten in Denmark with how all official communication since Roy passed came through the Phillies organization."

This isn't your opinion? My apologies.

Well yeah, it's my opinion to an extent. I think any fan is allowed a few hours of going around the bend but by the end of the night I was at peace with it. No rational person should think THEIR feelings are above those of the family. There are lots of folks out there who are acting VERY childish about the whole thing right now.

"This has marred what should be a positive and joyous moment for BOTH fanbases..."

I took this to mean that Brandy's decision marred the moment and was responsible for the behaviour of idiots. Again, I'm sorry for misinterpreting you.

No, her decision was what she felt best and that's their right. The marring of the moment is totally on the fans that are acting like this is a personal affront to their fandom. Like I said last night there were people saying they'll boo the hell out of the family and asking others to do so. Hell, one fan even stupidly put out a change.org petition to have Roy's hat be a Blue Jay one. Wisely one of the moderators of the Reddit page took that down within a half hour of it going up.

Oh, and I WILL give you an ear, er eye full next time we have a massive disagreement on things

[DrJones]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Well yeah, it's my opinion to an extent. I think any fan is allowed a few hours of going around the bend but by the end of the night I was at peace with it. No rational person should think THEIR feelings are above those of the family. There are lots of folks out there who are acting VERY childish about the whole thing right now.

True. As much as I dislike immature fanboys, at least most have the excuse of being young dumb***es.
Imagine being a grown man paid to write sports for a living and coming up with this vile take:

https://twitter.com/InqPotosky/status/1088148500758487040

[SPTO]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

True. As much as I dislike immature fanboys, at least most have the excuse of being young dumb***es.
Imagine being a grown man paid to write sports for a living and coming up with this vile take:

https://twitter.com/InqPotosky/statu...48500758487040

I saw that article yesterday. That Bob Ford guy makes Steve Simmons look like a rationalist. I'm glad he got blasted by BOTH Phillies and Blue Jays fans over it.

[bhurst99]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Ya, that's right! 2019 hof class is linked solely because of Armando Benitez.

Played 3 games on Os roster with Lee in 94, played more with Mussina and Baines in Baltimore, Rivera and Mussina in NY, Edgar in Seattle and finished off his career on Jays roster with Halladay.

That's a great trivia question. Benitez is a seven degrees of separation kind of guy. He also played with Hall of Famers such as Ricky Henderson, Mike Piazza, Ripken, Frank Thomas and future Hall of Famers like Ichiro and Jeter and those denied Hall of Fame spots due to steroid allegations like Palmero, Bonds and Clemens. I'm probably missing a ton.

[Sportsforever]

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True. As much as I dislike immature fanboys, at least most have the excuse of being young dumb***es.
Imagine being a grown man paid to write sports for a living and coming up with this vile take:

https://twitter.com/InqPotosky/statu...48500758487040

Maybe I'm missing something; I read that entire article and I missed the "vile take". It seemed like an homage to Halladay and had a very respectful tone. What am I missing?

[DrJones]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Maybe I'm missing something; I read that entire article and I missed the "vile take". It seemed like an homage to Halladay and had a very respectful tone. What am I missing?

"I know Doc better than his family, and he would've wanted *insert homer BS here*" is not being respectful.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

"I know Doc better than his family, and he would've wanted *insert homer BS here*" is not being respectful.

The headline was chosen poorly, but if you read the article it was more of this guy saying giving his opinion based on his time around Halladay. Heck, maybe Halladay even said something to him at some point, maybe he just will always view him as a Phillie. The key comment of the article to me is this:

"The tragedy isn’t the affiliation or lack of it that will be on the plaque, but that Halladay won’t be in Cooperstown this July to hold it aloft."

Maybe your comment set me up expecting something different, but I just didn't come away thinking the guy was trying to be a jerk.

[SPTO]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

I forget if his name has come up but with the news that C.C. Sabathia is retiring at the end of the year is he HOF material?

[Themayorofawsometown]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

I forget if his name has come up but with the news that C.C. Sabathia is retiring at the end of the year is he HOF material?

Yes he has had the monster seasons ie his year with the brewers, the longevity, and the stats to get in

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[rdnk]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

I forget if his name has come up but with the news that C.C. Sabathia is retiring at the end of the year is he HOF material?

Is Sabathia an all time great/inner circle HOF'er? No. That being said, he is one of the best pitchers of his generation, and will be in the hall of fame.

From what I can tell, Verlander and Kershaw are locks. Greinke has a good shot at it. Scherzer is the most interesting case, as he didn't start looking like an ace until he was 28 but now entering his age 35 season, has shown no signs of slowing down.

[BigOscar]

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I think CC and Scherzer have pretty similar numbers tbh, just CC has done a lot more accumulating of decent years. Sabathia really was about 6 very, very good years between 2006-12, with a lot of pretty decent but not spectacular stuff either side of it.

Scherzer has just put up his 6th straight monster season, possibly even better than CC's big 6, with a bunch of decent but unspectacular seasons before. So he's pretty on track to end up in the same place. He's a bit older than CC was at the end of his peak, so maybe doesn't carry on as long, but there's also nothing to suggest his peak has ended.

Personally I'd pick Scherzer over Sabathia as I prefer the higher peak to the longer accumulation, but that's personal preference really

[redsox4evur]

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Yea I see CC as an accumulator, and in the similar vein as Biggio. He was a very, very good player but was never a top player for more than a year or 2 during his career. You bring up the great 2nd half of 2008 he had with Milwaukee, but look at the first half with Cleveland it's equally as pedestrian. During his entire career here's the pitchers I would've taken over him Clemens, Pedro, Santana, Kershaw, Scherzer, Randy Johnson, Verlander, I'd have to debate myself with Hamels, Felix, and Lester as well.

[rdnk]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Between CC, Lester, Hamels and Felix, I'd say Felix was the most dominant of the four comparing primes. Unfortunately, he's fallen off of a cliff performance wise since then. If you had to give me a whole career, I'd take CC. I'd only put CC in the HOF. Those last two statements are subject to change based on how the career's of the others end.

[DamnYanks2]

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C.C is very borderline. Definitely not a slam dunk in my eyes. He does have a Cy Young (that's a plus) Damn good pitcher for a while, but never truly elite.

Once he lost his hard stuff. He reinvented himself in New York. Durability and longevity have been a strong suit for C.C minus the knee problems. Was pretty elite in the Yankees WS run in 2009.

But in reality should be a slam dunk for the voters. Jack Morris set the bar pretty damn low recently.

Andy Pettite should have no problem getting in either.





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