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  • TripleCrown9
    Keep the Faith
    • May 2010
    • 23705

    #2146
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    The only reason Ortiz is even linked is because the New York Times published his name, despite the fact that the Mitchell Report was supposed to be anonymous.

    I'll just post this article one last time, quotes from the man himself.

    https://www.nj.com/yankees/2016/09/r...ositive_p.html
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    • kehlis
      Moderator
      • Jul 2008
      • 27738

      #2147
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by TripleCrown9
      The only reason Ortiz is even linked is because the New York Times published his name, despite the fact that the Mitchell Report was supposed to be anonymous.

      I'll just post this article one last time, quotes from the man himself.

      https://www.nj.com/yankees/2016/09/r...ositive_p.html


      Oh it was supposed to be anonymous? Well that changes everything.

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      • dubcity
        Hall Of Fame
        • May 2012
        • 17874

        #2148
        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

        Originally posted by TripleCrown9
        The only reason Ortiz is even linked is because the New York Times published his name, despite the fact that the Mitchell Report was supposed to be anonymous.

        I'll just post this article one last time, quotes from the man himself.

        https://www.nj.com/yankees/2016/09/r...ositive_p.html
        I don't know that him denying it, and claiming he got tested more than anyone, is proof of anything. How many guilt guys denied it?

        I honestly don't care who did what in that era. All these guys should be considered all time greats. Manny too. All organizations benefited in some way from this, as did MLB itself.

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        • lowpaiddonkey10
          MVP
          • Oct 2017
          • 2163

          #2149
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          Originally posted by TripleCrown9
          You're absolutely right. You won't get an argument from me there. I think they all deserve to be in as well.

          To this day Barry Bonds is still the only member of the 400/400 club.

          I was never against them getting in, not before, not now.

          But again, you keep lumping Ortiz in with that group, that was where my initial issue came from.

          Very few players actually ever tested positive. Even Alex. Hopefully any player with the numbers will get in down the road this has become nothing more than a popularity contest.

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          • zello144
            MVP
            • Jul 2013
            • 2183

            #2150
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            Originally posted by DrJones
            I think the voters are hypocrites, and I would personally vote for most of the roiders, but I don't feel particularly sorry for them either. These guys did knowingly cheat (yes, steroids have been banned in baseball since 1991, not 2003), and nobody's going to take away their stats from the record books or their tens/hundreds of millions from their bank accounts. And nor should they.

            I do have some sympathy for marginal pros and amateur athletes who juice - they lose everything if they get caught. Medals, records, money, athletic career gone. Public pariahs. No defenders on message boards. Bonds and Clemens were no-doubt Hall of Famers and multi-millionaires before ever glancing at a needle and they chose to juice anyway, due to what, ego? Should Bonds and Clemens be in the Hall of Fame and recognized as a couple of the greatest players ever? Yes. Should they be publicly scorned as cheating losers? Also yes.
            This is what Roids gets you.

            Can you blame them?

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            • Keirik
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 3770

              #2151
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?



              Looks legit. Sure.
              Yankees, Manchester United, Chicago Bears, New York Rangers

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              • zello144
                MVP
                • Jul 2013
                • 2183

                #2152
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                Originally posted by DrJones
                At some point, a known roider will get voted in, or someone previously voted in will have been found to be a roider, and the floodgates will open. Might be awhile, though. For those who hate sanctimonious writers, wait'll you get a load of the Veterans Committee!
                Mike Piazza definitely did roids and Ivan Rodriguez

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                • DieHardYankee26
                  BING BONG
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 10178

                  #2153
                  Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  A-Rod should’ve denied, denied, denied!
                  Originally posted by G Perico
                  If I ain't got it, then I gotta take it
                  I can't hide who I am, baby I'm a gangster
                  In the Rolls Royce, steppin' on a mink rug
                  The clique just a gang of bosses that linked up

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                  • lowpaiddonkey10
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2017
                    • 2163

                    #2154
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    Originally posted by zello144
                    Mike Piazza definitely did roids and Ivan Rodriguez

                    Who is Jeff Bagwell?

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                    • lowpaiddonkey10
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2017
                      • 2163

                      #2155
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      Originally posted by jasontoddwhitt
                      David Ortiz gets into the HOF swinging a bat three times a game, but Barry Bonds can’t despite being one of the most fearsome all around players in the history of the game?

                      That’s a major problem.

                      Both were linked to steroids. But Papi gets a pass because he was more personable.

                      Didn’t realize this was the Hall of Likability.


                      Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                      DH is a position too but I see your point. Steroids help with recovery and might turn warning track power into homeruns but you still have to hit the ball.

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                      • Madden08PCgmr
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2017
                        • 2441

                        #2156
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        This is more egregious than the numb nuts that sent in blank ballots.

                        My biggest problem with this is, baseball allowed it. We may still have steroids in the game if not for US Government intervention.

                        And I can't recall a single baseball lifer sounding off over what a problem this was, or how it was ruining the game. Maybe I'm wrong? I hope I am... but I literally can't recall a single one. So everyone was complicit, from the ruling class, to teh boardrooms, down to the clubhouses.

                        So some pencil neck dweeb gets to rob a player of the prestigious individual honor possible?

                        .. they should convene a special committee and put these guys in.

                        ... course, if I was Bonds or Clemens now, I'd wave the bird and skip the festivities.
                        Last edited by Madden08PCgmr; 01-26-2022, 09:27 AM.
                        You want free speech?
                        Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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                        • Madden08PCgmr
                          MVP
                          • Feb 2017
                          • 2441

                          #2157
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          The morals high horse they are on is pretty unfortunate as well.

                          Omar Vizquel was the arguably the best glove I've seen at that position.
                          You want free speech?
                          Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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                          • Jolly Roger
                            Prince of Plakata
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 871

                            #2158
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            I think the Hall of Fame has outlived its use, much like the major arts awards shows. If you follow a sport for many years, you know who was great, who was good, and who was not so good. I can tell you who was great, but I can't tell you if they're in the HOF or not. I can assume they are, but I don't even pay attention to that.

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                            • zello144
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 2183

                              #2159
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              With Bonds some of the writers got a vendetta against him not because of the roids but because of the way he treated them back then. They’re mad because he hurt their feelings.

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                              • Majingir
                                Moderator
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 47648

                                #2160
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                IF Bonds ever gets in, would anyone be ok with him going in with a Pirates cap (almost like a statement, since he was more known for being in SF, but that was also the part of his career that's been tainted, so it's almost like recognizing him more for his Pirates career).

                                Similarly with ARod. What if he goes in with a Mariners cap, since his Rangers and Yankees career is tainted.

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