Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[Speedy]

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I don’t have a problem with corked bats. That’s the type of cheating I prefer.

Are you Jason Grimsely? :wink:

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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if he isn't tainted, there is still the perception his corked bat certainly was

I don't really WANT to defend Sosa (see first half of this post),
but you don't get selected to 7 all-star games or as an MVP w/o being closer to somewhat good rather than
''not really all that good''

Look at Sosa's numbers pre steroids. Bonds and ARod would have gotten in w/o the juice Sosa no way.

[TripleCrown9]

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With right around 1/4 of the votes counted, the current inductees are David Ortiz, Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens.

Ortiz- 82%
Bonds- 81%
Clemens- 80%

Scott Rolen is next at 72%

[Speedy]

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With right around 1/4 of the votes counted, the current inductees are David Ortiz, Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens.

Ortiz- 82%
Bonds- 81%
Clemens- 80%

Scott Rolen is next at 72%

No absolute way we ever see Bonds or Clemens get inducted.

[TripleCrown9]

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Idk man, I think some writers were just making them sweat it out until the final year.

Because the voters are absolutely that petty.

[DrJones]

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The Bonds and Clemens numbers don't mean anything. So far, they've only picked up 1 vote each compared to 2021 voting. Most "traditional" BBWAA voters either don't share their votes until after the results are announced or don't share at all. I doubt either will get to 70%.

[DrJones]

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I'd love to hear the rationale of the guy who dropped Schilling from his ballot but kept Vizquel.

[Caulfield]

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now that the veterans committee (or whatever they're calling it these days)
has voted Kaat in, I hope that bodes well for Tommy John. simply from a Fame standpoint,
what other pitcher is referenced almost daily in baseball circles than the one from TJS lol

but seriously, I do want to live to see John enshrined

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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now that the veterans committee (or whatever they're calling it these days)
has voted Kaat in, I hope that bodes well for Tommy John. simply from a Fame standpoint,
what other pitcher is referenced almost daily in baseball circles than the one from TJS lol

but seriously, I do want to live to see John enshrined

For sure their records are very similar. I don't think either is worthy but if Kaat goes in so should John.

[ImTellinTim]

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I'd love to hear the rationale of the guy who dropped Schilling from his ballot but kept Vizquel.

Schilling asked people not to vote for him. He tried to get off the ballot!

[Majingir]

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The Bonds and Clemens numbers don't mean anything. So far, they've only picked up 1 vote each compared to 2021 voting. Most "traditional" BBWAA voters either don't share their votes until after the results are announced or don't share at all. I doubt either will get to 70%.

That's the real thing I want to see.

What are current ballots like vs last year.

Someone might have 80% from 30% of the ballots right now, but what if most of those 30% were people who already voted them in before?

We won't know the true number until it gets closer to 75-100%, but it would be nice seeing where guys stand based on if the voted counted so far are any different from last year.

And I'd imagine a number of the ones who we dont know of yet are the guys who probably would rather hide their vote if they are intentionally not voting someone, or sending in a blank ballot and so on.

[DrJones]

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That's the real thing I want to see.

What are current ballots like vs last year.

Someone might have 80% from 30% of the ballots right now, but what if most of those 30% were people who already voted them in before?

We won't know the true number until it gets closer to 75-100%, but it would be nice seeing where guys stand based on if the voted counted so far are any different from last year.

And I'd imagine a number of the ones who we dont know of yet are the guys who probably would rather hide their vote if they are intentionally not voting someone, or sending in a blank ballot and so on.

Among relevant candidates:

Rolen +7
Helton +6
Wagner +5

Schilling -13
Vizquel -34

Everyone else is pretty much treading water. Both new-school and old-school types like Big Papi, so he'll likely make it first ballot.

[dubcity]

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If they put Clemens and Bonds in I'll never whine about old baseball writers again.

[DrJones]

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Here's how I would rate the chances of the following HOF classes:

2022

Probable 1st ballot (definitely making it eventually): Ortiz
Will probably make it a few years down the road: Rolen
Borderline, will likely need a late surge: Helton, Wagner, Rollins
How are folks feeling about roiders in 5-10 years?: A-Rod, Manny
Veterans Committee or bust: Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Sheffield, Schilling, Kent, Andruw
If Veterans Committee is dominated by ex-Yankees at some point: Pettitte
No chance: Vizquel

2023

Probable 1st ballot (definitely making it eventually): Beltran

2024

Definite 1st ballot: Beltre
Probable 1st ballot (definitely making it eventually): Mauer
Will probably make it a few years down the road: Utley
Borderline, will likely need a late surge: Wright
Hey, he's in my Hall of Fame: Big Sexy, Joey Bats

2025

Definite 1st ballot: Ichiro
Probable 1st ballot (definitely making it eventually): Sabathia
Will probably make it a few years down the road: Pedroia, King Felix
Borderline, will likely need a late surge: Kinsler, Tulo
Longshot cause célèbre at some point: Zobrist

2026

Borderline, will likely need a late surge: Hamels
How are folks feeling about roiders in 5-10 years?: Cano

[Speedy]

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Andruw Jones not being considered HOF worthy is still laughable to me.

That's taking off my homer glasses too. But I've talked about him ad nauseam.