Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[redsox4evur]

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This coming from a Red Sox fan......


Mariano is as much a lock as you can get. I can't imagine the ****storm if he doesn't get 100% of the vote.


BTW I know there's a case to be made about Mussina and I did say he'll get in but don't blame Halladay for getting votes. That seems kinda counter productive.

I wasn't talking specifically about you was just saying that in general there's a case against everyone. And I agree that Rivera is as close to a lock as you can get. But he's not the guy that should fans should be outraged about when he doesn't end up on 100% of the ballots. Hell he's the best closer I've ever seen pitch. But also if someone tells me they didn't vote Rivera, I wouldn't be outraged like 95% of baseball fans would.

[TripleCrown9]

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This coming from a Red Sox fan......


Mariano is as much a lock as you can get. I can't imagine the ****storm if he doesn't get 100% of the vote.


BTW I know there's a case to be made about Mussina and I did say he'll get in but don't blame Halladay for getting votes. That seems kinda counter productive.

Mariano's not gonna get 100%. Everyone thought Griffey was gonna be the first unanimous selection, and there was like 2 or 3 guys that didn't vote for him.

Nobody will ever be a unamnimous selection, and it's stupid.

[Sportsforever]

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I agree about Mussina and I think he'll eventually get in. Schilling on the other hand is the biggest POS around. Why should he be rewarded with going to the Hall. If you're going to do that you might as well put Rose in too.

The Schilling/Rose situations are completely different; Schilling may be a joke off the field/post career, but he was a HOF between the lines. This isn't the hall of really nice guys or the hall of guys who follow the rules. If Rose doesn't break a cardinal rule and bet on games, he'd have been in a LONG time ago, despite the fact that he to is a total scumbag off the field.

[DieHardYankee26]

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There's good reason to not have a unanimous entry as long as there is a limit on people you can choose and the ballot is full. It makes sense to pass on a sure thing and give your vote to a guy who needs it if you're running low on votes.

[SPTO]

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The Schilling/Rose situations are completely different; Schilling may be a joke off the field/post career, but he was a HOF between the lines. This isn't the hall of really nice guys or the hall of guys who follow the rules. If Rose doesn't break a cardinal rule and bet on games, he'd have been in a LONG time ago, despite the fact that he to is a total scumbag off the field.

You make a good point. I shouldn't have mentioned Rose. Let Schilling get in after he's 6 feet under then. I mean, he'll still be in the Hall for eternity. I just don't want to see that A-hole soaking up the atmosphere and being feted like he's some great guy which always happens at the HOF ceremony and weekend.


I know it's not the Hall of Nice Guys but some guys need to suffer a bit for their stupidity and bad behavior. If he gets in while he's alive I hope it's when he's in his 80s.

[Speedy]

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I seriously hope Andruw Jones gets some love.

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[Bigsheen]

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Mariano's not gonna get 100%. Everyone thought Griffey was gonna be the first unanimous selection, and there was like 2 or 3 guys that didn't vote for him.

Nobody will ever be a unamnimous selection, and it's stupid.

As sad as it is to say this, I really think there are writer’s who simply leave guys like Mo and Griffey off their ballot just so they get flack on social media and their name gets stirred around. No PR is bad PR.

[Majingir]

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I'm sure being a Yankee also could lead to someone not voting him in. I'm sure there's bound to be at least one person who won't vote for him simply because he was on the Yankees and/or they don't want to risk having the first player in baseball history to go in unanimously being a Yankee.

Looking at some of the ballots so far, it's funny to see some guys ballots.

Rene Cardenas went the Astros route for the most part. He did vote deserving names like Rivera and Martinez, but then decided to vote Oswalt,Berkman,Wager, but not Tejada though. Also voted in Clemens but not Bonds. One of only a handful of voters so far who voted in one but not the other. Heyman being the most notable voter who voted one of Bonds/Clemens but not the other.

[IBMA]

Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

There's good reason to not have a unanimous entry as long as there is a limit on people you can choose and the ballot is full. It makes sense to pass on a sure thing and give your vote to a guy who needs it if you're running low on votes.

I just think that u should vote for who deserves it, even if it’s an obvious choice. I’m not going to not vote for someone if I feel they don’t deserve it over someone else. It’s like MVP voting. If I know Betts is gonna win I’m not gonna give Lindor or Altuve a throwaway vote.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I just think that u should vote for who deserves it, even if it’s an obvious choice. I’m not going to not vote for someone if I feel they don’t deserve it over someone else. It’s like MVP voting. If I know Betts is gonna win I’m not gonna give Lindor or Altuve a throwaway vote.

It's not like MVP voting because there isn't one winner. Everyone that makes it in wins, so if I know this guy is guaranteed to make it in and I'm not sure on this guy then there's a chance I can get both in.

[BigOscar]

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Anyone who votes for Clemens but Bonds should probably just have their vote taken off them tbh, as there is absolutely no justification for that beyond not liking Barry Bonds as a person. Bonds was the better player before the suspected PEDs, he was the better player after the suspected PEDs and they are both about as implicated as two humans can be without an actual suspension. But Barry was mean to reporters

[SPTO]

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My official opinion is that I wouldn't vote for either just so that I don't crucified by everyone for picking one over the other. I'm resigned to the fact that both Bonds and Clemens will get in eventually. I like what (I think) Rosenthal said today that he voted for both Clemens and Bonds and whenever they're at Cooperstown making their speeches it's going to be cringey because in his heart he feels they shouldn't be there.

I think that's how most people probably would feel in that situation.

[Majingir]

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Never thought about this before. I know players get to choose which team they go in with, but what about which logo of that team? Teams change their looks every so often, and if a guy has been there long enough and/or the team just has abunch of changes, he would have literally worn many hats during his time there.

Halladay wore 8 different kinds of hats with the Jays alone spanning 5 different logos. He's probably most known for the black J bird logo, wore the TBird hat during his Cy Young year with the Jays, broke into the league with their maple leaf bird logo, and briefly got to wear their original hat during flashback friday home games.

The hat he's most known for imo was their worst looking one.

And funny timing, I happened to come across this magazine yesterday:

[SPTO]

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Personally they should have him wearing the current Jays logo. That logo he's most known for wearing will be a bitch to put on a plaque.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Edgar Martinez is in. 85.4%

Roy Halladay is in. 85.4%

Mike Mussina is in. 76.7%

Mariano Rivera is in (duh). UNANIMOUS


That's it. Bonds' percentage will be interesting to see. 59.1%

Schilling 60.9%
Clemens 59.5%