Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

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Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

250+ wins

Means nothing.

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

How bout Jimmy Rollins?

[philliesfan136]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

How bout Jimmy Rollins?

I have a feeling, no.

[KMRblue1027]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

How bout Jimmy Rollins?

Counting stats are solid but probably not.

Discussed a ton here

http://www.thegoodphight.com/2013/2/1/3296256/jimmy-naga-naga-naga-not-gonna-make-it-in-anyway

Of anyone the current Phillies era it's Utley that deserves the hall the most (Unless you count Halladay).

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Means nothing.

Apparently you aren't familiar with how the HoF works......

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Counting stats are solid but probably not.

Discussed a ton here

http://www.thegoodphight.com/2013/2/1/3296256/jimmy-naga-naga-naga-not-gonna-make-it-in-anyway

Of anyone the current Phillies era it's Utley that deserves the hall the most (Unless you count Halladay).

With less than 1,400 hits Utley is nowhere near hall of fame consideration. Both players are roughly the same age.

WOULD Utley have gotten there? Probably. But he got to the Show too late. Putting him in HOF talks is like putting Ryan Howard in there. Great players during a relatively short stretch of time.

[KMRblue1027]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

With less than 1,400 hits Utley is nowhere near hall of fame consideration. Both players are roughly the same age.

WOULD Utley have gotten there? Probably. But he got to the Show too late. Putting him in HOF talks is like putting Ryan Howard in there. Great players during a relatively short stretch of time.

You have no idea how good Utley actually has been though. WAR per 162 games has him as the second base 2B of all time, bar none. Just because of his low hit total shouldn't discount him.

[AC]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

IMO, there's something to be said about longevity. Utley's gotta start staying healthy the next couple years. Assuming he does, I think he should get in. High peak, incredible offensive numbers, great fielder, and I like guys that break out late.

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

He needs at least more than a COUPLE of healthy years. If he gets to 2,000 hits then we can START to talk.

No one's doubting how great he was for 5 years. But that's the problem. It's only 5 years!

Simply put, would you vote Albert Belle in? Disregard attitude and behaviour because I think that's complete bs (Ty Cobb, Mickey Mantle).

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Utley's a fair question. If he were to retire at the end of this year, then he's a "no" for me.

If he can have 3 more years exactly like the one he's having, then I'd probably vote "yes".

That projection would give him 275 HRs ~ 1000 RBIs, ~1800 hits, nearly 400 doubles, a bWAR of about 75--not too shabby for 2B.

He's shown up in the playoffs too with an insane 2009 performance in the World Series against the Yankees (though the Yankees won) and very nice NLCS (2008), and NLDS showings (2009, 2011). He's also been on a WS champ team (duh).

He's already the 130th best player (EDIT: among position players) in terms of bWAR all-time, which is saying something given how abbreviated his career has been.

Of course there are gold gloves and silver sluggers too, if those mean anything to you.

So, it's an interesting case to consider.

[DamnYanks2]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

How about Magglio Ordonez?

[AC]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

How about Magglio Ordonez?

Oh man is that a tough one. I think it's Hall of Very Good for him, but I could probably be swayed.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

No to Magglio--spent too much time with the White Sox.

[55]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

How about Magglio Ordonez?

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Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Hall Of Very Good for Mags. If He had closer to 3000 hits then I would give him the nod but his numbers are simply not Hall Of Fame Worthy. One of my favorites though when he played.