Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[1stpitchhacker]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Look at his career numbers again. They're FAR from "fringe".

[1stpitchhacker]

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I'm a little confused because your post seems to contradict itself. You were the one that threw out Cobb's name with Sheffield not me. You drew the comparison between the two. My point was that Sheffield's achievements and statistics don't back him up. Cobb may have been a terrible person but no one cared because His numbers were insane.

Gary Sheffield Never had a 200 hit season, Never Won a MVP, and was never a consistent all star. He never had an extraordinary season and you compliment that with the fact that he wasn't well received by his teammates. You add all of this together and it puts him on the borderline for the Hall. He was a very good player that did maintain a consistent level of production but does that warrant an Hall Of Fame selection? Absolutely not there have been many great consistent players that are not in the Hall of Fame.

What exactly is his claim to the Hall? His Stats aren't amazing impressive he just played for a long time so he was able to compile some good numbers.

I threw out Cobb's name because he was probably the worst of the Hall of famers off the field. Fine, I'll give you Reggie Jacskon then. It doesn't really matter. The point is it doesn't matter if a guy was "reportedly" bad off the field. Where's the contradiction? Where did I compare their numbers?

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Pedro Martinez?

Anyone that doesn't think Pedro should get in needs their head examined.

[DamnYanks2]

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Look at his career numbers again. They're FAR from "fringe".

As far as steroids being thrown in they are, There are so many great outfielders that have played this game too. So you factor that in too. Does Sheffield belong with that group, however, Like I said.. I f Rice is in why not Sheffield? But Sheffield will be on the fringe, to the voters.

[1stpitchhacker]

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As far as steroids being thrown in they are, There are so many great outfielders that have played this game too. So you factor that in too. Does Sheffield belong with that group, however, Like I said.. I f Rice is in why not Sheffield? But Sheffield will be on the fringe, to the voters.

How can you say all of this AND claim Magglio Ordonez is a fringe player? Ordonez was also linked to steroids!

Look at both players' career numbers. I'm sorry for being blunt but it's not even close for Ordonez.

[DamnYanks2]

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How can you say all of this AND claim Magglio Ordonez is a fringe player? Ordonez was also linked to steroids!

Look at both players' career numbers. I'm sorry for being blunt but it's not even close for Ordonez.

Maybe I should have been more clear. But, I said I was in favor of Sheffield, I, myself would vote him in. But, to the writers he will be associated with the steroid era. And he admitted it.

Magglio is a fringe player to me. But, I agree he doesn't get in, but you could make an interesting case for him. Magglio never admitted, the only implications he had, was being linked to Canseco in his book.

[1stpitchhacker]

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Right and Sheffield didn't admit either. His only link was the Barry Bonds thing. It's all heresay. But Magglio's numbers don't strike me as hall consideration worthy.

[DamnYanks2]

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Right and Sheffield didn't admit either. His only link was the Barry Bonds thing. It's all heresay. But Magglio's numbers don't strike me as hall consideration worthy.

Sheffield did admit, of course he said he didn't know they were illegal, but admitted to buying from balco. He admitted applying the cream. Magg's is all hearsay. Canseco implicated him, but he's never been linked to anything.

I agree Magglio probably just misses, but he would be tempting for me. My argument with you was that you said he's not anywhere close, and he is indeed extremely close, but will probably not make it. I could be swayed on him though, look at the numbers closely. There's HOF Potential there, but I can't really find an x factor there like I can Sheffield.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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If you vote no to Sheff, you vote no to bat speed in general.

[snepp]

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As far as steroids being thrown in they are, There are so many great outfielders that have played this game too. So you factor that in too. Does Sheffield belong with that group, however, Like I said.. I f Rice is in why not Sheffield? But Sheffield will be on the fringe, to the voters.

Rice getting elected was a huge mistake, using him as the bar would lead to dozens of more ridiculous inductions. It's probably just better to ignore that he's in and maintain a better standard.

[DamnYanks2]

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Rice getting elected was a huge mistake, using him as the bar would lead to dozens of more ridiculous inductions. It's probably just better to ignore that he's in and maintain a better standard.

I agree, just like Rizzuto sets the standard low at ss, does that mean we put Vizquel in too?

[1stpitchhacker]

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Sheffield did admit, of course he said he didn't know they were illegal, but admitted to buying from balco. He admitted applying the cream. Magg's is all hearsay. Canseco implicated him, but he's never been linked to anything.

I agree Magglio probably just misses, but he would be tempting for me. My argument with you was that you said he's not anywhere close, and he is indeed extremely close, but will probably not make it. I could be swayed on him though, look at the numbers closely. There's HOF Potential there, but I can't really find an x factor there like I can Sheffield.

He admitted to putting some cream on his arm. I don't think it was proven to be steroids (do roids even come in cream form?).

Here's one for ya. Would you vote for Moises Alou?

[DrJones]

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He admitted to putting some cream on his arm. I don't think it was proven to be steroids (do roids even come in cream form?).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_cream

Here's one for ya. Would you vote for Moises Alou?

No. I'll be amazed if Alou gets 5% of the BBWAA vote.

[DrJones]

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As far as Ordonez goes, his career numbers are pretty similar to Tim Salmon, who was named on 0.9% of the BBWAA ballots. Mags will do a bit better, but he'll drop off the ballot after his first year of eligibility.

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Andruw Jones is an interesting case. You wanna talk about a guy that fell off a cliff? He's your man. He has 10 Gold Gloves and posted a pretty High WAR during his time in Atlanta. Still can't believe what happened to this guy. Thought for sure he was going to retire with 600+ Home Runs. That aside do you think he can make it?