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08-04-2013, 10:37 AM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Gary Sheffield and Jeff Bagwell should be locks in my opinion

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08-04-2013, 10:38 AM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Larry Walker, Kevin Brown

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08-04-2013, 10:39 AM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by DamnYanks2

How about Magglio Ordonez?

Nowhere close
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08-04-2013, 12:26 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker

Gary Sheffield and Jeff Bagwell should be locks in my opinion

I don't think Sheff will get in at least not on the first few tries. He's was a notorious loudmouth who constantly move teams because people were sick of his act.
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08-04-2013, 12:30 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by 24

I don't think Sheff will get in at least not on the first few tries. He's was a notorious loudmouth who constantly move teams because people were sick of his act.

Yeah but Ty Cobb was a murderer.
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08-04-2013, 01:53 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker

Nowhere close

He's easily a fringe player, if not a hall of famer. He's definitely in the argument.
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08-04-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker

Yeah but Ty Cobb was a murderer.

That was never proven. Ty Cobb is also a lifetime .366 Hitter who has over 4000 hits, 897 Stolen Bases, close to 2000 RBI's, and one of the greatest Center Fielders to ever play the game of baseball. If you are seriously comparing one of the best players to ever live to Gary Sheffield then I'm just going to walk away from this argument.
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08-04-2013, 03:48 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Pedro Martinez?
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08-04-2013, 04:01 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by Baseballking888

Pedro Martinez?

First ballot, no doubt. You could make an argument that for his peak value, no pitcher has been better than Pedro.

I think it's interesting that in the 'steroid' era with all the offense, it produced so many GREAT pitchers: Pedro, Maddux, Johnson, Clemens, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Rivera. Everyone of those guys is a HOF'r or has an argument for the HOF.

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08-04-2013, 04:12 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by 24

That was never proven. Ty Cobb is also a lifetime .366 Hitter who has over 4000 hits, 897 Stolen Bases, close to 2000 RBI's, and one of the greatest Center Fielders to ever play the game of baseball. If you are seriously comparing one of the best players to ever live to Gary Sheffield then I'm just going to walk away from this argument.

You should run away not walk. Sure it wasn't proven, but he was reportedly a horrible teammate and person in general, just like Sheffield reportedly was a bad teammate. So were a lot of other guys in the hall. The fact that somewhere in my post you found a comparison of Cobb's and Sheffield's numbers is so ridiculous it's not funny. What if Cobb had a .338 career average with 3,700 hits and 1,900 rbi's. Those are still easily hall worthy numbers. Does he get in? Where do you draw the line for a supposed a hole? What's the minimum for a so called "jackass" to make it to the hall of fame? How do prove who out of all these players was better or worse off the field? How do we know one of these guys didn't beat his wife and kids or dog? It's all heresay and speculation. There's no way we can ever prove it. Therefore it's ALL about the numbers and what actually happened on the field.

By your logic the "nice guy" doesn't have to play as good as the "mean guy" to qualify for the honor. Unfortunately this isn't elementary school.

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08-04-2013, 04:14 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by Baseballking888

Pedro Martinez?

Of course. Arguably the best pitcher of all time.
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08-04-2013, 04:17 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by Sportsforever

First ballot, no doubt. You could make an argument that for his peak value, no pitcher has been better than Pedro.

I think it's interesting that in the 'steroid' era with all the offense, it produced so many GREAT pitchers: Pedro, Maddux, Johnson, Clemens, Glavine, Smoltz, Schilling, Rivera. Everyone of those guys is a HOF'r or has an argument for the HOF.

Pitchers were juicing too
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08-04-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker

You should run away not walk. Sure it wasn't proven, but he was reportedly a horrible teammate and person in general, just like Sheffield reportedly was a bad teammate. So were a lot of other guys in the hall. The fact that somewhere in my post you found a comparison of Cobb's and Sheffield's numbers is so ridiculous it's not funny. What if Cobb had a .338 career average with 3,700 hits and 1,900 rbi's. Those are still easily hall worthy numbers. Does he get in? Where do you draw the line for a supposed a hole? What's the minimum for a so called "jackass" to make it to the hall of fame? How do prove who out of all these players was better or worse off the field? How do we know one of these guys didn't beat his wife and kids or dog? It's all heresay and speculation. There's no way we can ever prove it. Therefore it's ALL about the numbers and what actually happened on the field.

By your logic the "nice guy" doesn't have to play as good as the "mean guy" to qualify for the honor. Unfortunately this isn't elementary school.

I'm a little confused because your post seems to contradict itself. You were the one that threw out Cobb's name with Sheffield not me. You drew the comparison between the two. My point was that Sheffield's achievements and statistics don't back him up. Cobb may have been a terrible person but no one cared because His numbers were insane.

Gary Sheffield Never had a 200 hit season, Never Won a MVP, and was never a consistent all star. He never had an extraordinary season and you compliment that with the fact that he wasn't well received by his teammates. You add all of this together and it puts him on the borderline for the Hall. He was a very good player that did maintain a consistent level of production but does that warrant an Hall Of Fame selection? Absolutely not there have been many great consistent players that are not in the Hall of Fame.

What exactly is his claim to the Hall? His Stats aren't amazing impressive he just played for a long time so he was able to compile some good numbers.
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08-04-2013, 04:51 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by 24

I'm a little confused because your post seems to contradict itself. You were the one that threw out Cobb's name with Sheffield not me. You drew the comparison between the two. My point was that Sheffield's achievements and statistics don't back him up. Cobb may have been a terrible person but no one cared because His numbers were insane.

Gary Sheffield Never had a 200 hit season, Never Won a MVP, and was never a consistent all star. He never had an extraordinary season and you compliment that with the fact that he wasn't well received by his teammates. You add all of this together and it puts him on the borderline for the Hall. He was a very good player that did maintain a consistent level of production but does that warrant an Hall Of Fame selection? Absolutely not there have been many great consistent players that are not in the Hall of Fame.

What exactly is his claim to the Hall? His Stats aren't amazing impressive he just played for a long time so he was able to compile some good numbers.

Sheff's 1996 season was pretty amazing plus he had several other 'very good' ones. He finished in the top 6 of the MVP voting 4 times and top 3 three times...not everyone wins an MVP. Sheff was very, very good for a long time. Now, if he used PED's it changes things, but just based on the numbers he's a strong candidate.

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08-04-2013, 04:57 PM

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Originally posted by 1stpitchhacker

Gary Sheffield and Jeff Bagwell should be locks in my opinion

I want to see Sheffield get in, because he is one of my favorite players. His stats are fringe worthy. In my opinion if Jim Rice is in, Sheffield should be in, but his suspected use of steroids, will hurt him. But I would vote yes on Sheffield.

Bagwell is a lock.

Kevin Brown- no
Larry Walker- should get in, but playing at Coors hurts the argument.
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