Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[Sandman42]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

What about Fred McGriff?

His case is interesting, since he's 7 HRs short of the 500 HR club (AKA - virtual lock status), yet probably won't even get it.

His total numbers of 493 HRs and 2500 hits aren't bad, but he only had a few standout offensive seasons (led the AL in OPS in '89, 1.014 OPS in '94). Everything else was solid and consistent, but not spectacular production. He had 30+ HRs in 8 consecutive seasons and had 10 years of a .900+ OPS.

I'd say no, but it just goes to show how fragile some of these benchmarks are.

If McGriff hit 7 more HRs or doesn't have his 1994 season cut short (his best offensive year), he's in without question.

Ehh, I don't agree with that. I just don't see 500 home runs as a lock in this age as it was in the past. I think even if McGriff did hit 500, he would still have a tough time getting in because of what you said. He was a very good player for a while, but he was never elite.

I think we'll start seeing some guys who reached 500 home runs being left out, all though a lot of those guys left out (Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro) would be linked to PED's.

[Mr. Franchise]

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Andy Pettitte?
Curt Schilling?
Jason Giambi?
Bobby Abreu?
Torrii Hunter?
Johnny Damon?
Trevor Hoffman?
Francisco Rodriguez?

[Mr. Franchise]

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Johnny Damon is a mere 575 hits away from the 3000 mark. 4 more seasons and he's got that. That's crazy.

[DrJones]

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I didn't think Baines was HOF material but I thought I would throw him out there to see what you guys had to say. Baines to me is a lot like Dwight Evans who was very good for a long time, but I don't think I would call him a great either. Though Evans was a heck of fielder with a cannon for an arm.

For what it worth, Evans is a superior candidate to Baines.

[DrJones]

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I'm gonna throw out two names.

Carlos Delgado
Andy Petitte

Both are borderline IMO though I didn't realize how many career wins Andy had until I saw it listed while watching the ALCS this year. I believe this is his last season though so I dunno. I think he needs another couple seasons to bolster his case.

Again, are you talking about will or should?

Pettitte probably shouldn't, but will (eventually).
Delgado probably shouldn't, and won't.

[DrJones]

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Andy Pettitte?

Yes.

Curt Schilling?

Yes.

Jason Giambi?

No.

Bobby Abreu?

No.

Torrii Hunter?

No.

Johnny Damon?

Yes.

Trevor Hoffman?

Yes.

Francisco Rodriguez?

He's 27. Too early to tell.

BTW, I'm talking about will they, not should they. If I'm unsure about someone, I ask myself, "Was he a key figure in either the Yankees or Red Sox winning a World Series?" I guess you could call me a cynic.

[ty5oke]

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If we are saying Edgar shouldn't get in because he played DH most of his career, then why are closers getting in the HOF?

Take a sure fire HOF like Trevor Hoffman, he gets in although he only plays in about 63 innings a year. I think they both should be in becuase they were the best at their position, just my opinion.

[SPTO]

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Johnny Damon is a mere 575 hits away from the 3000 mark. 4 more seasons and he's got that. That's crazy.

Holy Crap!

I had no idea he was that close to 3000 hits. Jeez, even playing in big markets like Boston and NY you just never got the sense he was that great of a hitter in his time. I still remember him as a kid in KC.

(I feel old now LOL)

[Ewing]

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Andy Pettitte, Hall Of Famer

[DrJones]

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The BBWAA elected Catfish Hunter (very similar numbers to Pettitte), so I wouldn't put anything past them.

[econoodle]

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I didn't think Baines was HOF material but I thought I would throw him out there to see what you guys had to say. Baines to me is a lot like Dwight Evans who was very good for a long time, but I don't think I would call him a great either. Though Evans was a heck of fielder with a cannon for an arm.

evans is a GREAT comparison to Baines

[phillycannon1720]

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I know this thread about those who already amassed numbers but what about younger guys in the league now. I got a few names. Vlad,Chase Utley,Johan Santana,etc..name some guys you think could make it.

[eXperiment63]

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Damon, as much as it pains me to say this, should be a lock for the HOF. Given 3-4 more productive years, he should retire with a statline that reads about: .285-.290/.355-.360/.440 - with a career OPS of about .800 as primarily a leadoff hitter, with stats like: 3,000 hits, 265 homeruns, 1250 rbi, and 400 sb. He was your prototypical leadoff hitter, but had quite a bit of pop compared to most others. Played an extremely solid CF, stole bases very well, laid down bunts with the best of them, and just generally did everything you could ask of a player.

I despise him because of his switch to the Yankees, but the man is an amazing ballplayer.

[eXperiment63]

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Also... As far as David Ortiz goes, no way in hell he will ever deserve to be in the HOF. Sox HOF, obviously. But his dominance was far too short-lived. Now, I don't think he's done, but he will never be the threat he once was.

[DrJones]

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Damon, as much as it pains me to say this, should be a lock for the HOF. Given 3-4 more productive years, he should retire with a statline that reads about: .285-.290/.355-.360/.440 - with a career OPS of about .800 as primarily a leadoff hitter, with stats like: 3,000 hits, 265 homeruns, 1250 rbi, and 400 sb. He was your prototypical leadoff hitter, but had quite a bit of pop compared to most others. Played an extremely solid CF, stole bases very well, laid down bunts with the best of them, and just generally did everything you could ask of a player.

I despise him because of his switch to the Yankees, but the man is an amazing ballplayer.

I think he'll make it, but "lock" is a bit of a stretch. Career 105 OPS+, no Gold Gloves, no Silver Sluggers, no top-10 MVP finishes.

Here's someone interesting who hasn't been brought up yet: Andruw Jones.