Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[Speedy]

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As to how the vote actually goes down this year (75% needed for induction): Dawson barely makes it, Blyleven barely misses out (and will make it in 2011), none of the noobs make it on the first try. Alomar will get 60-65%, Larkin a little less, Edgar and Crime Dog will be in the 40-55% range.

Anyone else besides Dawson you feel will get in? I would agree with Blyleven, I really do believe Alomar will get inducted by the slimest of margins.

[SPTO]

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As to how the vote actually goes down this year (75% needed for induction): Dawson barely makes it, Blyleven barely misses out (and will make it in 2011), none of the noobs make it on the first try. Alomar will get 60-65%, Larkin a little less, Edgar and Crime Dog will be in the 40-55% range.

How do you not have Alomar not making it in on the first ballot. The guy was the greatest 2B of his generation. Hell, during his prime people were favorably comparing him to Joe Morgan fer cryin' out loud!

If the spitting incident is gonna cost Alomar his induction then these writers hold grudges to the point of absurdity. It's all water under the bridge between Alomar and the umpire don't you think we should let bygones be bygones?

[Mo]

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If the spitting incident is gonna cost Alomar his induction then these writers hold grudges to the point of absurdity. It's all water under the bridge between Alomar and the umpire don't you think we should let bygones be bygones?

If they're not voting in McGwire in what makes you think Alomar gets in. For the writers it's essentially the same thing.

[SPTO]

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If they're not voting in McGwire in what makes you think Alomar gets in. For the writers it's essentially the same thing.

Spitting is a totally different ballgame from actively "cheating" on the game of baseball. McGwire has also evaded anything to do with his past with andro and usage of steroids whereas Alomar has spoken about the spitting incident and has expressed regret that it happened.

Totally different situations IMO

[DrJones]

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Anyone else besides Dawson you feel will get in? I would agree with Blyleven, I really do believe Alomar will get inducted by the slimest of margins.

No. I'll be very surprised if any of the newcomers make it on the first ballot.

[DrJones]

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How do you not have Alomar not making it in on the first ballot. The guy was the greatest 2B of his generation. Hell, during his prime people were favorably comparing him to Joe Morgan fer cryin' out loud!

If the spitting incident is gonna cost Alomar his induction then these writers hold grudges to the point of absurdity. It's all water under the bridge between Alomar and the umpire don't you think we should let bygones be bygones?

Wanna bet? If anything, my percentages are a little on the high side. It's been already pointed out in this thread that it took Ryne Sandberg 3 tries to get elected (on his first try, he received under 50%), and Sandberg was a FAR more popular player than Alomar ever was (although their credentials are similar). Even Little Joe was far from unanimous on his first ballot with 82%.

Take a look at HOF ballots over the last couple of decades. Only absolute no-brainers or those who are extraordinarily popular (Puckett) get in on their first try. There are still writers who won't vote for ANYBODY on the first ballot out of "principle". Trust me, it ain't happening. Robbie will have to wait a year or two to become the first Blue Jay in Cooperstown.

[SPTO]

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Trust me, it ain't happening. Robbie will have to wait a year or two to become the first Blue Jay in Cooperstown.

I know you're usually right on most things but in this case I hope you're totally wrong.

[DrJones]

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I know you're usually right on most things but in this case I hope you're totally wrong.

Yeah, me too. But as long as he gets in eventually, I'm fine with it.

[Lintyfresh85]

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What about Lee Smith? 478 saves and he started his career when the closer position wasn't en vogue.

The man was a 7 time all-star and would easily had over 500 saves if he played in todays era.

[snepp]

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I think Lee Smith would be a pretty mediocre-to-awful addition. I do have a bit of an anti save/closer bias though, considering how much more valuable even a decent starter can be and how ridiculously overrated the save statistic is.

Throw out the save stat and what's the difference between Lee Smith and a reliever like Roberto Hernandez? Or Jeff Reardon? Or Doug Jones? Or any number of other pretty good relievers? They're all basically interchangeable.

[DrJones]

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I think Lee Smith would be a pretty mediocre-to-awful addition. I do have a bit of an anti save/closer bias though, considering how much more valuable even a decent starter can be and how ridiculously overrated the save statistic is.

Throw out the save stat and what's the difference between Lee Smith and a reliever like Roberto Hernandez? Or Jeff Reardon? Or Doug Jones? Or any number of other pretty good relievers? They're all basically interchangeable.

I agree. That being said, I'm a little befuddled as to why the voters think Bruce Sutter is worthy and Lee Smith isn't. If only Smith had claimed to invent a pitch or had a cool-looking mustache...

[WWF80sKid]

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I'd love to see Barry Larkin get in - but that's because he is my all time favorite player!

[snepp]

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If only Smith had claimed to invent a pitch or had a cool-looking mustache...

Sadly that's about what it boils down to.

[econoodle]

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I agree. That being said, I'm a little befuddled as to why the voters think Bruce Sutter is worthy and Lee Smith isn't. If only Smith had claimed to invent a pitch or had a cool-looking mustache...

befuddled as well.

[DrJones]

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As to how the vote actually goes down this year (75% needed for induction): Dawson barely makes it, Blyleven barely misses out (and will make it in 2011), none of the noobs make it on the first try. Alomar will get 60-65%, Larkin a little less, Edgar and Crime Dog will be in the 40-55% range.

Ahem.