Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[snepp]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

I think he'll make it, but "lock" is a bit of a stretch. Career 105 OPS+, no Gold Gloves, no Silver Sluggers, no top-10 MVP finishes.

Unfortunately once he reaches that 3,000 hit mark he'll be a lock, regardless of his other numbers.

It'll be a sad day when he goes in and Raines is still on the outside looking in.

[TheLetterZ]

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Raines' exclusion is egregious. Guy was an incredible player. First-ballot guy in my book.

[econoodle]

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Raines: Interesting name to bring up.
never thought of him.
but yea, solid numbers.
for sure.

Gotta look at his hardware and jewelry

[Mr. Franchise]

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Andruw Jones.

Obvious steroid user.

[SPTO]

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Raines' exclusion is egregious. Guy was an incredible player. First-ballot guy in my book.

If it wasn't for Rickey Henderson dominating all of MLB as a base stealer and such Raines would be remembered much more favorably. I also think playing in Montreal before the age of sports packages like Extra Innings may have hurt him as he didn't get the exposure he deserved.

[Ewing]

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.273/.352/.499, 142 OPS+

- Eighth in career home runs (382) by a right-handed batter at the time of his retirement.

Those numbers were good for a microscopic 1.4% of the vote the only year Frank Howard was on the ballot. To give you an idea of how mind blowing that is, even Willie McGee stayed on the ballot for two years. It's absolute garbage Frank Howard didn't get any consideration.

[Coug00]

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Ted Williams. Babe Ruth. Stan Musial. Rogers Hornsby. Lou Gehrig.

Arguably the five greatest baseball players of all-time. What is the one stat they all have in common?

.300/.400/.500, 2,000 hits, 300 home runs, 500 doubles, 1,000 walks.

You know who else holds those same numbers?



Nearly every retired player with a .300/.400/.500 line is in the Hall Of Fame. The only two not in are Shoeless Joe Jackson and Edgar Martinez. Joe is not in for obvious reasons and Edgar is just about to enter his first year of eligibility.

If Edgar doesn't make the Hall, it'll be the biggest screw-up in BBWAA history and that's saying something.

Joe Pa hit one out of the park regarding Edgar on his blog.

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2009/11/08/hall-of-fame-thoughts/

– Edgar Martinez’s career average is .312 — since the end of World War II (not including active players) only seven men with 7,500 or-more at bats have a better batting average (Gwynn, Boggs, Carew, Musial, Puckett, Clemente, Larry Walker).
– Edgar Martinez’s career on-base percentage is .418 — FOUR ONE EIGHT. Only Bonds, Mantle and Frank Thomas have a better on-base percentage using the same criteria (since 1945, 7,500 at-bats, non-active).
– Edgar Martinez slugged .515 — the same as Willie McCovey. Admittedly, it was a different era (and Edgar only once hit more than 30 home runs), but the point here is that Martinez was not a slappy hitter.
– Edgar led the league in hitting twice, in on-base percentage three times, in runs once, in RBIs once and in doubles twice. I’ve often said that one of the great MVP rip-offs in baseball history was when Mo Vaughn won in 1995 over Albert Belle — who hit 50 homers and 50 doubles in a strike-shortened season, one of the great hitting years in baseball history. Edgar, you could argue, had an even BETTER YEAR than Belle (.356/.479/.628 with 121 runs, 116 walks, 113 RBIs, a 185 OPS+).

The Hall of Fame is loaded, absolutely loaded with players who were not nearly as good at hitting a baseball as Edgar Martinez. Compare him as a hitter with almost anyone you think in recent years — George Brett, Wade Boggs, Rod Carew, Billy Williams, Roberto Clemente, Al Kaline or Yaz. You’ll be surprised.

[Sportsforever]

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Obvious steroid user.

I don't see this at all...dude has never had a steroid body and has just gotten fat as he's gotten older. If he'd have kept himself in shape he'd be a HOF'r someday...instead he's pretty much washed up at 32.

One thing that gets neglected I think is that players that come up young (Jones at 19, Griffey at 19) start breaking down in their early 30's. Jones played a lot of games during his 20's (roughly 170/year).

He has just never struck me as a steroids guy though...

[raidersbball20]

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Bert Blyleven

I have a blog about this. He definitely has a case.
Since 1900, Bert Blyleven ranks 5th in career strikeouts, 8th in shutouts, and 17th in wins.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives...all_of_fam.php

[Sandman42]

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It's an absolute crime that Blyleven hasn't been elected yet.

[BunnyHardaway]

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Given 6-8 more productive years, Brian Roberts?

[SPTO]

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Bert "Be home by eleven" should be in the Hall as should Jack Morris. It's a shame that these guys get overlooked because they were in an era where ERA were higher and guys ended up with misleading W-L records because the bullpen management wasn't what it is today.

[TheLetterZ]

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What do you mean? Fewer runs were scored in their leagues than there are today.

[SPTO]

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What do you mean? Fewer runs were scored in their leagues than there are today.

Correct sorry bout that I wasn't fully awake when I said that. I was thinking more about Morris' case in that instance as well. Blyleven was a damn good pitcher and it's incredible what he did on mainly bad teams.

[TheLetterZ]

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Morris wasn't a Hall of Fame pitcher. Almost every argument for his enshrinement centers around how much of a big game pitcher he was. He pitched a fantastic game in the 1991 World Series, but his postseason numbers are only marginally better than his regular season statistics, which is to say, they aren't very good.