Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Bert Blyleven

I have a blog about this. He definitely has a case.
Since 1900, Bert Blyleven ranks 5th in career strikeouts, 8th in shutouts, and 17th in wins.

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives...all_of_fam.php

good call.
Berts been robbed.
get him in.
i used to love watching him vs. the Yanks.

[SPTO]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Morris wasn't a Hall of Fame pitcher. Almost every argument for his enshrinement centers around how much of a big game pitcher he was. He pitched a fantastic game in the 1991 World Series, but his postseason numbers are only marginally better than his regular season statistics, which is to say, they aren't very good.

Okay so who would you say was the pitcher of the '80s? I'm curious because most people say it was Jack Morris. I think being the dominant pitcher for an entire decade has to be part of anyone's argument for HOF.

I'll take your answer and we'll drop it.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

No need to drop it if you don't want to. This thread's here so we can discuss things.

In the 1980s, Morris had a 3.66 ERA, for an adjusted ERA of 109. He struck out six hitters per nine innings and had a K/BB ratio of 1.90. He never had an ERA+ better than 127.

Dave Stieb had an ERA+ of 127 for the decade. Doc's was 132. Jimmy Key's was 124. Alejandro Pena's was 121.

I don't think posting an ERA 10% better than the league average qualifies as "dominant."

[SPTO]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Thanks

Well I always thought Stieb was the best pitcher of the decade at least in the AL so

I think Morris is one of those guys that will never get it but his best shot is with the vets committee (they still have a form of that right?)

Speaking of guys from the '80s Alan Trammel and Tony Fernandez should have their pictures next to the word "underrated". Both are very borderline but man did they play great defense in the field.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Don't forget Lou Whitaker.

[snepp]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Don't forget Lou Whitaker.

It's utterly ridiculous that he dropped off the ballot immediately.

[Ewing]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

It's utterly ridiculous that he dropped off the ballot immediately.

Same goes for Frank Howard. Check out my post a couple pages back. You won't believe his numbers.

[snepp]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Same goes for Frank Howard. Check out my post a couple pages back. You won't believe his numbers.

Dick Allen as well, pretty comparable to Howard.

[Ewing]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Dick Allen as well, pretty comparable to Howard.

Yeah, Allen got snubbed too. I think he hung around for a few years on the ballot though.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Andy Pettitte?
Curt Schilling?
Jason Giambi?
Bobby Abreu?
Torrii Hunter?
Johnny Damon?
Trevor Hoffman?
Francisco Rodriguez?

Andy Pettitte- YES
Curt Schilling- YES
Jason Giambi- NO
Bobby Abreu- NO
Torrii Hunter- NO
Johnny Damon- NO
Trevor Hoffman- NO Doubt
Francisco Rodriguez- NO

[Ewing]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Andy Pettitte- YES
Curt Schilling- YES
Jason Giambi- NO
Bobby Abreu- NO
Torrii Hunter- NO
Johnny Damon- NO
Trevor Hoffman- NO Doubt
Francisco Rodriguez- NO

Why?

[yvesdereuter]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Andy Pettitte? On being a Yankee, not on merit.
Curt Schilling? Maybe...probably.
Jason Giambi? No
Bobby Abreu? No
Torrii Hunter? Probably not.
Johnny Damon? No
Trevor Hoffman? Maybe...probably.
Francisco Rodriguez? Too early to tell.

In bold.

[econoodle]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

In bold.

if pettite keeps playing and wins another title.
wins 15 games.
hmmmm

[DrJones]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Okay so who would you say was the pitcher of the '80s? I'm curious because most people say it was Jack Morris. I think being the dominant pitcher for an entire decade has to be part of anyone's argument for HOF.

He had more wins than anyone else during the 1980-89 seasons. Morris was good, consistent, durable. That to me does not equal dominance, unless you consider Mark Grace to be the dominant hitter of the 90s. Clemens and Saberhagen won 2 AL Cy Youngs apiece in the 80s, while Morris never finished higher than 3rd, despite playing on some excellent teams.

[Mr. Franchise]

Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

Mike Mussina.
270 wins in the AL East?
I say no doubter.