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  • ryan36
    7 dirty words...
    • Feb 2003
    • 10139

    #151
    Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

    Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
    Someone want to explain to me what business the first baseman has fielding that ball?

    Isn't that the second baseman's ball all the way? And is that play even that close if the second baseman takes it?
    2b was too deep to get there in time...if he sprints in, all his momentum going forward, he's got a barehand play and throw on the run...Cabrera taking that ball is actually a quicker play. Donald beats that out if Miggy doesn't cut it off

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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #152
      Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

      If the call wasn't reversed in the '85 WS then why is a call in a meaningless regular season game going to be reversed?
      "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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      • Knight165
        *ll St*r
        • Feb 2003
        • 24964

        #153
        Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

        Oooof.
        That was one bad call.
        Even worse timing. But it happens and it's been happening a loooong time. To me the umps.....bad calls and all are part the game.
        Galarraga should be perfect game #3...and he did indeed act like a true professional. Kudos to him for his reaction to the whole mess....I'm glad someone pointed that out.

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        • aukevin
          War Eagle, Go Braves!
          • Dec 2002
          • 14700

          #154
          Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

          I think this is a perfect opportunity for Selig to overturn the call. This isn't a case where something else could have happened in the game to alter the outcome, this was the final out, so by reversing the call and ending the game all would be settled. This isn't one of those situations where the other team could have done something differently after the play to mount a rally, it was over. So hopefully Selig does the right thing.

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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #155
            Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

            Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
            I feel like this is something that will be overlooked, but I think it's important.

            It would be easy for Galarraga to have bitched about the call. It'd have been easy for Joyce to try to defend his call. But they didn't. Galarraga was straight class last night after all this. He said all the right things, he acted the right way, and in an era where our athletes rarely act the right way it was damn refreshing. And I also love the way Joyce has handled this. He hasn't been stubborn like a lot of people in his situation might be, he's manned up, he's said he got it wrong, and he obviously just genuinely feels terrible about it. I loved the quote he had last night that went "This is a history call... and I kicked the **** out of it". It was just so honest. I'm not sure all umpires or referees would've manned up as much as he has in this situation.

            This has just been a refreshingly great example of the right way to handle things like this. This could've easily gotten very ugly. Frankly, a lot of us probably wouldn't blame Galarraga if he wanted to just tear into Joyce. But everyone's handled this with class, and I really respect that.
            I'm mostly quoting this because I don't want this to get lost in the shuffle and you should know that you bring up an excellent point.

            It's easy to get mad at Joyce and upon hearing the news (I didn't see the replay until hours later), I was upset with the decision. But, after reading Joyce's comments regarding the entire affair, I can't stay upset at the guy.

            Do I think baseball needs to look into a bit more replay? Yea, I do. But, I don't think Joyce being a "bad" umpire is the reason why. I just think that it shows that humans make mistakes and in a game where billions of dollars are thrown around, the league must let the fans know that they are doing everything possible to get it right all the time.
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            • Segagendude
              Banned
              • Aug 2008
              • 7940

              #156
              Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

              At the very least, Joyce took it like a man, admitted he screwed up, and apologized to Gallarraga(sp) over and over. He didn't try to spin it, didn't try to stand by his decision, etc.

              He came right out and said it: "I ______-up that call and I'm sorry. I cost that young man a perfect game, because of one ______-up call on my part."




              Politicians, take note.

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              • rangerrick012
                All Star
                • Jan 2010
                • 6201

                #157
                Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                Originally posted by ehh
                If the call wasn't reversed in the '85 WS then why is a call in a meaningless regular season game going to be reversed?
                That wasn't the final out though. And the possible 21st perfect game in history isn't exactly a meaningless call.
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                • Checmate101
                  N.W.O. - NO WR OPEN
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 9947

                  #158
                  Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                  I believe that was the second baseman ball...Mig should've let the second baseman get it, would've been an easier play..BUT I do feel bad for the pitcher and Jim.
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                  • ehh
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 28962

                    #159
                    Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                    Didn't say the call was meaningless but the game was. It didn't cost the Tigers the game.
                    "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

                    "Beware of geeks bearing formulas." - Warren Buffet

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                    • SoxFan01605
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 7982

                      #160
                      Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                      Originally posted by WeAreAllWitnesses
                      I feel like this is something that will be overlooked, but I think it's important.

                      It would be easy for Galarraga to have bitched about the call. It'd have been easy for Joyce to try to defend his call. But they didn't. Galarraga was straight class last night after all this. He said all the right things, he acted the right way, and in an era where our athletes rarely act the right way it was damn refreshing. And I also love the way Joyce has handled this. He hasn't been stubborn like a lot of people in his situation might be, he's manned up, he's said he got it wrong, and he obviously just genuinely feels terrible about it. I loved the quote he had last night that went "This is a history call... and I kicked the **** out of it". It was just so honest. I'm not sure all umpires or referees would've manned up as much as he has in this situation.

                      This has just been a refreshingly great example of the right way to handle things like this. This could've easily gotten very ugly. Frankly, a lot of us probably wouldn't blame Galarraga if he wanted to just tear into Joyce. But everyone's handled this with class, and I really respect that.
                      I also wanted to quote these excellent points. This is exactly what I took from it as well. I don't see how this umpire compares to the Joe Wests and Angel Hernandezes of the world. The call: fine...it was horrible. Unlike those other yahoos though, he manned up and didn't intentionally try to take the spotlight from the players on the field. He made a major gaffe and owned up to it. I respect that, especially after he was so adamantly sure he had it right before the replay...harder for many to admit error at that point.

                      As for Galarraga, I can't say enough. To have one of the most amazing career achievements taken from you and respond with such class even while the moment is still fresh speaks volumes to his character. Really, nearly everyone involved (including Tigers coaches, etc) have handled this whole mess with a lot of grace. In a way (for me at least), it makes his achievement more memorable. He was perfect on and off the field that night.




                      On a side note, I can't recall a time where umpires as a whole were making as many headlines as they are right now. Maybe West, as president of the umpires group, paid Joyce off to take pressure of of him and Hernandez...lol. Jokes aside, it's just odd how much these guys have been in the news this year.

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                      • 42
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 8801

                        #161
                        Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                        Originally posted by ehh
                        We need a GIF of Cabrera's reaction ASAP.

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                        • biker_jim_uk
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 117

                          #162
                          Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                          I don't see why he didn't call it out anyways, I don't believe there'd be any uproar if he was 1/2 step safe and called out. As someone earlier said you'd have thought he'd have been aware of the situation and erred on the side of the perfecto?
                          I've seen plenty of people called out on much closer plays than that, like the A's 1st out against the BoSox last night.

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                          • Sportsforever
                            NL MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 20368

                            #163
                            Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                            Selig has said he is reviewing the situation this morning and will consider reversing the call...will be very interesting if he does.
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                            • RamblinWreck21
                              Rookie
                              • Feb 2009
                              • 434

                              #164
                              Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                              Originally posted by mgoblue678
                              He isn't absolved of blame at all. He is a major league umpire, there is no excuse for him to miss that call, plain and simple.

                              Saying he doesn't deserve any blame is ridiculous. So if I go into work and make a huge mistake tomorrow I deserve no blame then right?

                              I agree this proves major league baseball needs replay for plays like this and I know he feels terrible, but it doesn't change the fact that he screwed up horribly.
                              I meant he shouldn't get the blame as far as History goes. He made a terrible call. Yes its his fault he missed the call, but its not his fault History is ruined. MLB could have EASILY avoided this. Thats why, in the long run, its their fault. If you made a huge mistake at work, but your employee didn't give you all of the tools to succeed, they should get the majority of the blame. MLB doesn't give their umps all the tools they need because they are ********. The guy was balling tears when he went into the locker room after the game to talk to Galaraga. He messed up, but to put all of history on him is ridiculous. On a brighter note, Galaraga is giving Joyce the line-up card in todays game to show his respect and "no hard feelings". Geeze louise, Galaraga is taking it better than you guys.

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                              • ehh
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 28962

                                #165
                                Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

                                Originally posted by Brett_OS
                                Nice! I'm going to abuse that in the next few years.
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