Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

[mgoblue678]

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Hmm, so I am wrong in stating most of the time MLB umps get even plays that are a half step or closer right. Love to see you guys disprove that. That play was a full step, once again if you think a full step is bang bang for an MLB umpire you are severely underrating how good they are most of the time on those plays.

What I explained , since you some how missed it the first time is that MLB umps typically are great at calling those plays. What may appear to be bang bang to you watching at home is not typically bang bang for them give how often they get it right.

Whatever keep on arguing a full step is bang bang for a MLB ump given what I just said.

[countryboy]

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He was still a full step away at best though, for a MLB ump that is not bang bang. Maybe for you and I it is if we were the ump, but MLB umps 95% get calls right that are a half a step or less let alone a full step.

People can argue all they want that it was bang bang, but they would be wrong based on what I just explained.

Like I said, did anybody think he was safe even in real time?

I did.

The movement of Galaraga coupled with how close he was, I truly thought that Donald was safe. It wasn't until seeing the replay from a 2nd base position that I felt that the call was missed.

My belief is that if Galraga catches the ball cleanly and doesn't look back to see if he is touching the base, then Donald would've been called out. But again, given the whole scenerio, I thought he was safe in real time.

[WazzuRC]

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Hmm, so I am wrong in stating most of the time MLB umps get even plays that are a half step or closer right. Love to see you guys disprove that. That play was a full step, once again if you think a full step is bang bang for an MLB umpire you are severely underrating how good they are most of the time on those plays.

I never said that MLB umps don't get most bang-bang plays right. Feel free to find where I said that.

It's pointless anyway. It was obviously a blown call, Joyce has no vendetta against the Tigers, and everyone involved seems to have moved on.

[rangerrick012]

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I never said that MLB umps don't get most bang-bang plays right. Feel free to find where I said that.

It's pointless anyway. It was obviously a blown call, Joyce has no vendetta against the Tigers, and everyone involved seems to have moved on.

You really think those Detroit fans and all of the players have moved on? And Joyce, you really think he's over it? He was still crying over it today. Reversing the call would have done him a lot, and taken the heat off of him; instead now this will haunt him for the rest of his career. And Galaragga puts on a nice face, what else is he going to do. If he b!tches and moans he looks like the bad guy. You can bet he won't forget that for the rest of his career, probably the rest of his life. So no it's not 'pointless', it's still a worthy discussion as to what should be done in the future so that this never happens again.

I've said baseball should've instituted replay years ago. I don't know why baseball purists are so bent up on this issue. And after all the bad calls last postseason...in someways MLB deserves this bad publicity for this circumstance. The saying is, you reap what you sow. As long as Bud has his head up his arse when stuff like this happens, baseball's never going to move forward. That may be too strong, but stuff like this is a microcosm of what plagues baseball. A seeming disconnect with the fans on some levels.

[mgoblue678]

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^^^That is a something I think isn't being brought up enough, that reversing it would have benefited Joyce in the long run.

I honestly do feel bad for the guy, his whole legacy as an ump will be remembered for this one play. One mistake and now he will be remembered for this despite being a good umpire overall.

I think reversing it would allow people to forgot this call over time. I don't think his name would come up like Denkingers does today if it were.

[WazzuRC]

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You really think those Detroit fans and all of the players have moved on? And Joyce, you really think he's over it? He was still crying over it today. Reversing the call would have done him a lot, and taken the heat off of him; instead now this will haunt him for the rest of his career. And Galaragga puts on a nice face, what else is he going to do. If he b!tches and moans he looks like the bad guy. You can bet he won't forget that for the rest of his career, probably the rest of his life. So no it's not 'pointless', it's still a worthy discussion as to what should be done in the future so that this never happens again.

First off, I never said that talking about "the play" is pointless. I said that discussing whether or not it was a bang-bang play was pointless.

Secondly, of course they aren't over it, but I'm sure they've started to move on. They have to. They can't keep dwelling on that one game because they are still in the hunt for the playoffs. Same with Joyce. I'm sure it's on his mind, but he has to move on if he expects to keep umpiring. Of course they won't forget it, it would be stupid to think otherwise. But it would also be stupid to think that it's at the forefront of all the Tigers players minds as they have a job to do night in and night out. Gallaraga, yeah it's a terrible thing that I can't even imagine he went through (from that high to that low) but he has 4 days to forget about it and move on. He's been a fringe MLB'er for the last couple of years and if this eats at his focus for awhile, he'll soon find himself back in Triple A.

[ImTellinTim]

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I've said baseball should've instituted replay years ago. I don't know why baseball purists are so bent up on this issue. And after all the bad calls last postseason...in someways MLB deserves this bad publicity for this circumstance. The saying is, you reap what you sow. As long as Bud has his head up his arse when stuff like this happens, baseball's never going to move forward. That may be too strong, but stuff like this is a microcosm of what plagues baseball. A seeming disconnect with the fans on some levels.

Well put. MLB has a long history of waiting until something drastic happens to finally change its ways, though. It seems like they try to deliberately piss off its fans. In my life I've seen the strike, a tie in an all-star game, home field advantage being decided on a alternating basis - then by the winner of the all-star game (both make no sense), dragging its *** on steroids, and dragging its *** on instant replay. MLB is like a stubborn old man who likes to yell at kids to get off its lawn.

[WazzuRC]

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I agree with the post above.

However, I don't want to see the MLB abuse it. That's why I brought up a similar instant replay format where each manager would get one challenge per game. This way the game stays in motion without a ton of breaks, keeps the games from going on too long, and gives managers more to think about over the course of the game.

[rangerrick012]

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I agree with the post above.

However, I don't want to see the MLB abuse it. That's why I brought up a similar instant replay format where each manager would get one challenge per game. This way the game stays in motion without a ton of breaks, keeps the games from going on too long, and gives managers more to think about over the course of the game.

The thing is, you already have games delayed and dragged on by stuff like batters constantly stepping out of the box, managers arguing every single call it seems like...in some ways instituting IR/challenges would cut down on that. Maybe not for ball/strike calls, but at least for out/safe calls you'd no longer have the rigamaroll of managers coming out, kicking dirt, getting ejected; just take the 2 minutes they use doing that to go look at the replay.

I say a manager gets 2 challenges per game to be used innings 1-6, then innings 7-9, all challenges are handled by a booth, similar to NFL's system. I don't see what would be so complicated about that. If a manager doesn't like a call, he challenges it. None of this 3 minutes to argue when the call is never changed business.

The thing about extending games seems to be the main reason some are against replay - the problem with that is, if baseball really wanted to shorten games, there's several rules they could institute to do so, but they choose not to.

[Cusefan]

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I used to Ump little leaguers back in high school and the wierdest thing would happen. When you know someone is out, your head says he is out, and for some inexplicable reason, my stupid arms called him safe. It only happened once but it really made me appreciate what a hard job an umpire is.

I feel bad for joyce in that he is getting death threats and has basically become a pariaha. He made one of the worst calls in MLB History and he owned it. Too bad Selig is too much of a P* to overturn the call. Joyce should really consider taking a vacation to europe for about a month...

[stlstudios189]

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I agree that there is a need for some replay. I'm a Tigers fan but, I'm not going to kill Joyce for this. I referee highschool wrestling and man it is tough to make these calls.

[Blzer]

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I used to Ump little leaguers back in high school and the wierdest thing would happen. When you know someone is out, your head says he is out, and for some inexplicable reason, my stupid arms called him safe. It only happened once but it really made me appreciate what a hard job an umpire is.

I disagree. I think umpiring is very easy, but you just have to focus.

I keep statistics for my sister's summer softball team and I am right next to their dugout every game. One time one of our slap hitters punched a ground ball to the second baseman's backhand side, and she threw her out by about as much as the blown call in the Tigers game. While the umpire and I can clearly see that she's out, therein triggers the biased players in our dugout yelling, "SAFE! SAFE! NO, SHE WAS SAFE!"

I just think it's unbelievable when I witness homers/biased fans yelling at umpires. I always feel like I am the only objective person out there. I even don't like it when there are missed calls that help our team. I want umpires to just be good at their job, but they just have to watch the damn play and make nothing circumstantial. Furthermore, they need to leave emotion at the door. Ejections happen more often than not because they are emotional and egotistical. The only opinions they're supposed to have on the field are the ones that determine the game, and they're supposed to be correct. How umpires suck so badly is beyond me.

I've umpired plenty and either my dad films the games or I have someone set up my camera, or I talk to the coaches afterward. Turns out I don't miss many calls, and I'm not bragging, I'm saying that it's pretty lame how often these professionally paid guys miss these calls.

[WazzuRC]

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Furthermore, they need to leave emotion at the door. Ejections happen more often than not because they are emotional and egotistical. The only opinions they're supposed to have on the field are the ones that determine the game, and they're supposed to be correct. How umpires suck so badly is beyond me.

That's easy for us to say. But we have no idea what kinds of things players and coaches say to these umps. I'm sure there are a few egotistical umpires, but it's probably pretty damn difficult to not have any emotion. They're still human.

I've umpired plenty and either my dad films the games or I have someone set up my camera, or I talk to the coaches afterward. Turns out I don't miss many calls, and I'm not bragging, I'm saying that it's pretty lame how often these professionally paid guys miss these calls.

Just a guess, but I presume it's slightly different umpiring a rec league, high school or younger, opposed to a Major League Baseball game with professional athletes in front of 30,000 people on the biggest stages. Just sayin.

[Buckeye]

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I respect Jim Joyce for sticking to his call and taking all the nasty shots at him like a man.He called what he thought was the correct calls,there are bad calls all the time in baseball.

[Psyblast]

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I respect Jim Joyce for sticking to his call and taking all the nasty shots at him like a man.He called what he thought was the correct calls,there are bad calls all the time in baseball.

Um, he didn't "stick" to his call. He broke down and weeped the instant he saw the replay and immediately sought out Galarraga to apologize because he BLEW the call.

And saying "there are bad calls all the time" is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard - and I bet Jim Joyce would agree with me on that.