Who should win the AL MVP?

**NYJets** · 08-22-2003, 11:22 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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AI_Franchise03 said:
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NYJets37 said:
They aren't meaningless. OPS is the best SINGLE stat to use to determine how good a hitter he is, but all the major stats should be looked at.

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I was being sarcastic.

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Oops.

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 12:33 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
The Yankees would be just as good without Giambi so it's hard to make a case for him as MVP-- they did, after all, win 3 straight World Series before he arrived with virtually the same players they still have.

Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

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In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same team. The past Yankees team knew how to play some small-ball, and get clutch hits, especially in post-season. Not the team of today. It seems like the majority of our runs come solely from the longball. Not to mention we lost our mystique.
The roster seems like the same for both teams. The amount of changes, who left, all that.

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Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

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What does Ichiro do for M's that Giambi doesn't do for us?
You mentioned Ichiro's glove, while there is no question that it is better than Giambi's, but Giambi's glove is nothing to poo-poo(

) about. You don't watch him play regularly so you don't see the types of plays he makes at 1B. He usually saves other IF's errors and does great swoops at over 1B. This has to be credited back to his days in Oak-town, and the vast foul space that ballpark has.
And not only that, but Giambi is even more valuable to Yanks than Ichiro is to the M's, because Giambi is versatile, and can play DH whenever the team asks him, and he has many starts at DH.

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You can't give the MVP to a DH.

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Why not? That is ridicolous!
You can help out a team equally, and sometimes even more, with offense rather than your defense. Edgar Martinez is a DH, and you can have a darn good argument that he is their MVP. Actually, there wouldn't be no arguments because the Seatle Mariners themselves sayed that he is their most valuable player. Without him they're a whole differen't team. That's why they don't want him running so hard. If he happens to hurt himself, and can't be in the lineup, they would miss him dearly. But none of that is necessary because you obviously aren't aware that Giambi has more starts at firstbase than he does in the DH spot. Oh, and just so that you know, in your logic, Bonds CAN'T be the MVP, because he has helped the Giants team more with his bat than he has with his glove. Not to mention that Giambi has MUCH more POs and any other fielding stat you want to bring to the table, with the exception of %. Not to mention, Giambi has 25+ LESS STARTS in the field!

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Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

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I'm schocked!

Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team!

You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 12:33 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
The Yankees would be just as good without Giambi so it's hard to make a case for him as MVP-- they did, after all, win 3 straight World Series before he arrived with virtually the same players they still have.

Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

<hr /></blockquote>

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same team. The past Yankees team knew how to play some small-ball, and get clutch hits, especially in post-season. Not the team of today. It seems like the majority of our runs come solely from the longball. Not to mention we lost our mystique.
The roster seems like the same for both teams. The amount of changes, who left, all that.

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Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

<hr /></blockquote>

What does Ichiro do for M's that Giambi doesn't do for us?
You mentioned Ichiro's glove, while there is no question that it is better than Giambi's, but Giambi's glove is nothing to poo-poo(

) about. You don't watch him play regularly so you don't see the types of plays he makes at 1B. He usually saves other IF's errors and does great swoops at over 1B. This has to be credited back to his days in Oak-town, and the vast foul space that ballpark has.
And not only that, but Giambi is even more valuable to Yanks than Ichiro is to the M's, because Giambi is versatile, and can play DH whenever the team asks him, and he has many starts at DH.

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You can't give the MVP to a DH.

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Why not? That is ridicolous!
You can help out a team equally, and sometimes even more, with offense rather than your defense. Edgar Martinez is a DH, and you can have a darn good argument that he is their MVP. Actually, there wouldn't be no arguments because the Seatle Mariners themselves sayed that he is their most valuable player. Without him they're a whole differen't team. That's why they don't want him running so hard. If he happens to hurt himself, and can't be in the lineup, they would miss him dearly. But none of that is necessary because you obviously aren't aware that Giambi has more starts at firstbase than he does in the DH spot. Oh, and just so that you know, in your logic, Bonds CAN'T be the MVP, because he has helped the Giants team more with his bat than he has with his glove. Not to mention that Giambi has MUCH more POs and any other fielding stat you want to bring to the table, with the exception of %. Not to mention, Giambi has 25+ LESS STARTS in the field!

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Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

<hr /></blockquote>

I'm schocked!

Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team!

You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 12:33 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
The Yankees would be just as good without Giambi so it's hard to make a case for him as MVP-- they did, after all, win 3 straight World Series before he arrived with virtually the same players they still have.

Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

<hr /></blockquote>

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same team. The past Yankees team knew how to play some small-ball, and get clutch hits, especially in post-season. Not the team of today. It seems like the majority of our runs come solely from the longball. Not to mention we lost our mystique.
The roster seems like the same for both teams. The amount of changes, who left, all that.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

<hr /></blockquote>

What does Ichiro do for M's that Giambi doesn't do for us?
You mentioned Ichiro's glove, while there is no question that it is better than Giambi's, but Giambi's glove is nothing to poo-poo(

) about. You don't watch him play regularly so you don't see the types of plays he makes at 1B. He usually saves other IF's errors and does great swoops at over 1B. This has to be credited back to his days in Oak-town, and the vast foul space that ballpark has.
And not only that, but Giambi is even more valuable to Yanks than Ichiro is to the M's, because Giambi is versatile, and can play DH whenever the team asks him, and he has many starts at DH.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
You can't give the MVP to a DH.

<hr /></blockquote>

Why not? That is ridicolous!
You can help out a team equally, and sometimes even more, with offense rather than your defense. Edgar Martinez is a DH, and you can have a darn good argument that he is their MVP. Actually, there wouldn't be no arguments because the Seatle Mariners themselves sayed that he is their most valuable player. Without him they're a whole differen't team. That's why they don't want him running so hard. If he happens to hurt himself, and can't be in the lineup, they would miss him dearly. But none of that is necessary because you obviously aren't aware that Giambi has more starts at firstbase than he does in the DH spot. Oh, and just so that you know, in your logic, Bonds CAN'T be the MVP, because he has helped the Giants team more with his bat than he has with his glove. Not to mention that Giambi has MUCH more POs and any other fielding stat you want to bring to the table, with the exception of %. Not to mention, Giambi has 25+ LESS STARTS in the field!

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Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

<hr /></blockquote>

I'm schocked!

Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team!

You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

**TheMatrix31** · 08-23-2003, 04:23 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

That'd be a tough race......I think it'd be Ichiro, or Magglio Ordonez. If Delgado didnt trail off, maybe him. Vernon Wells? Nah. Giambi? Maybe.

Thats not even mentioning pitchers, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay are having excellent years. Hudson is gonna have to carry this A's team now, unless Zito steps it up.

No ARod in this race though, this is most VALUABLE player, not player who makes most money.

**TheMatrix31** · 08-23-2003, 04:23 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

That'd be a tough race......I think it'd be Ichiro, or Magglio Ordonez. If Delgado didnt trail off, maybe him. Vernon Wells? Nah. Giambi? Maybe.

Thats not even mentioning pitchers, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay are having excellent years. Hudson is gonna have to carry this A's team now, unless Zito steps it up.

No ARod in this race though, this is most VALUABLE player, not player who makes most money.

**TheMatrix31** · 08-23-2003, 04:23 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

That'd be a tough race......I think it'd be Ichiro, or Magglio Ordonez. If Delgado didnt trail off, maybe him. Vernon Wells? Nah. Giambi? Maybe.

Thats not even mentioning pitchers, Mulder, Hudson, Halladay are having excellent years. Hudson is gonna have to carry this A's team now, unless Zito steps it up.

No ARod in this race though, this is most VALUABLE player, not player who makes most money.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 09:19 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I'd like to point out that Giambi is very underated on defense. He sucks at throwing the ball, but he can scoop balls out of the dirt as well as pretty much anyone in baseball.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 09:19 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I'd like to point out that Giambi is very underated on defense. He sucks at throwing the ball, but he can scoop balls out of the dirt as well as pretty much anyone in baseball.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 09:19 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I'd like to point out that Giambi is very underated on defense. He sucks at throwing the ball, but he can scoop balls out of the dirt as well as pretty much anyone in baseball.

**Vince** · 08-23-2003, 09:31 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
I'd like to point out that Giambi is very underated on defense. He sucks at throwing the ball, but he can scoop balls out of the dirt as well as pretty much anyone in baseball.

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As well as JT Snow,Derek Lee and Olerud...???

**Vince** · 08-23-2003, 09:31 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
I'd like to point out that Giambi is very underated on defense. He sucks at throwing the ball, but he can scoop balls out of the dirt as well as pretty much anyone in baseball.

<hr /></blockquote>

As well as JT Snow,Derek Lee and Olerud...???

**Vince** · 08-23-2003, 09:31 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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NYJets37 said:
I'd like to point out that Giambi is very underated on defense. He sucks at throwing the ball, but he can scoop balls out of the dirt as well as pretty much anyone in baseball.

<hr /></blockquote>

As well as JT Snow,Derek Lee and Olerud...???

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 09:38 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

Close to it. I'm not saying he's as good all around defensively as them, groundball hit to Giambi is trouble, especially if he has to throw it, but at that aspect of defense he is very good.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 09:38 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

Close to it. I'm not saying he's as good all around defensively as them, groundball hit to Giambi is trouble, especially if he has to throw it, but at that aspect of defense he is very good.

Who should win the AL MVP?

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