Who should win the AL MVP?

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 11:10 AM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

quote]Nokona said:
Did you just call Giambi versatile because he can play DH?

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Yes.

Oh, and NYJETS, thanks for the word. "Scoop", I couldn't remember the word. "Swoop", and "sweep".

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 01:19 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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AI_Franchise03 said:

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same team. The past Yankees team knew how to play some small-ball, and get clutch hits, especially in post-season. Not the team of today. It seems like the majority of our runs come solely from the longball. Not to mention we lost our mystique.
The roster seems like the same for both teams. The amount of changes, who left, all that.

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Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

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What does Ichiro do for M's that Giambi doesn't do for us?

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Jesus Christ! where to begin. Have you ever seen Ichiro play. I have seen him win games for the Mariners with his glove, with his arm, with his speed, hitting for power, hitting for contact, sacrificing to move runners along, with is intellegence on the basepaths... Giambi is 'see ball hit ball real hard'... while he's great at it, that's his whole game. And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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You mentioned Ichiro's glove, while there is no question that it is better than Giambi's, but Giambi's glove is nothing to poo-poo(

) about. You don't watch him play regularly so you don't see the types of plays he makes at 1B. He usually saves other IF's errors and does great swoops at over 1B. This has to be credited back to his days in Oak-town, and the vast foul space that ballpark has.
And not only that, but Giambi is even more valuable to Yanks than Ichiro is to the M's, because Giambi is versatile, and can play DH whenever the team asks him, and he has many starts at DH.

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I'm speechless. I'm going to make this my new quote. You rock AI.... what can I say. You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to. I saw Ken Harvey make it the other day. Does that make him better than Ichiro, please.

You obviously love the skanks so much it has clouded your perception of reality. Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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You can't give the MVP to a DH.

Why not? That is ridicolous!
You can help out a team equally, and sometimes even more, with offense rather than your defense. Edgar Martinez is a DH, and you can have a darn good argument that he is their MVP. Actually, there wouldn't be no arguments because the Seatle Mariners themselves sayed that he is their most valuable player.

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

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Without him they're a whole differen't team. That's why they don't want him running so hard. If he happens to hurt himself, and can't be in the lineup, they would miss him dearly. But none of that is necessary because you obviously aren't aware that Giambi has more starts at firstbase than he does in the DH spot. Oh, and just so that you know, in your logic, Bonds CAN'T be the MVP, because he has helped the Giants team more with his bat than he has with his glove. Not to mention that Giambi has MUCH more POs and any other fielding stat you want to bring to the table, with the exception of %. Not to mention, Giambi has 25+ LESS STARTS in the field!

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The only reason Giambi has so many starts at first is because Nick Johnson was on the DL for an extended period of time. And the huge difference between Bonds and Giambi is the support each player gets from his line-up. Bonds is the sole means of offensive production for his team, AND he goes out there and plays each inning of defense for his squad. Not a DH, Bonds doesn't go back to the batting cage and practice his porch stroke like Giambi. And especially like Giambi, Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars. The yanks do and will score runs if Giambi is out...

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Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

I'm schocked!

Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team!

You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and figure you know Halladay is a Blue Jay and not a Tiger. Not that I would be surprised if a yammering yankee fan yuts like yourself didn't take the time to notice the players in the game who don't wear pin-stripes. But then again, I'm the biased one because I don't automatically pick the best skank for MVP. Right, that adds up, AI.

And the award is MVP, most-valuable player... it can be anyone.

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 01:19 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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AI_Franchise03 said:

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same team. The past Yankees team knew how to play some small-ball, and get clutch hits, especially in post-season. Not the team of today. It seems like the majority of our runs come solely from the longball. Not to mention we lost our mystique.
The roster seems like the same for both teams. The amount of changes, who left, all that.

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Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

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What does Ichiro do for M's that Giambi doesn't do for us?

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Jesus Christ! where to begin. Have you ever seen Ichiro play. I have seen him win games for the Mariners with his glove, with his arm, with his speed, hitting for power, hitting for contact, sacrificing to move runners along, with is intellegence on the basepaths... Giambi is 'see ball hit ball real hard'... while he's great at it, that's his whole game. And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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You mentioned Ichiro's glove, while there is no question that it is better than Giambi's, but Giambi's glove is nothing to poo-poo(

) about. You don't watch him play regularly so you don't see the types of plays he makes at 1B. He usually saves other IF's errors and does great swoops at over 1B. This has to be credited back to his days in Oak-town, and the vast foul space that ballpark has.
And not only that, but Giambi is even more valuable to Yanks than Ichiro is to the M's, because Giambi is versatile, and can play DH whenever the team asks him, and he has many starts at DH.

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I'm speechless. I'm going to make this my new quote. You rock AI.... what can I say. You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to. I saw Ken Harvey make it the other day. Does that make him better than Ichiro, please.

You obviously love the skanks so much it has clouded your perception of reality. Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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You can't give the MVP to a DH.

Why not? That is ridicolous!
You can help out a team equally, and sometimes even more, with offense rather than your defense. Edgar Martinez is a DH, and you can have a darn good argument that he is their MVP. Actually, there wouldn't be no arguments because the Seatle Mariners themselves sayed that he is their most valuable player.

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

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Without him they're a whole differen't team. That's why they don't want him running so hard. If he happens to hurt himself, and can't be in the lineup, they would miss him dearly. But none of that is necessary because you obviously aren't aware that Giambi has more starts at firstbase than he does in the DH spot. Oh, and just so that you know, in your logic, Bonds CAN'T be the MVP, because he has helped the Giants team more with his bat than he has with his glove. Not to mention that Giambi has MUCH more POs and any other fielding stat you want to bring to the table, with the exception of %. Not to mention, Giambi has 25+ LESS STARTS in the field!

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The only reason Giambi has so many starts at first is because Nick Johnson was on the DL for an extended period of time. And the huge difference between Bonds and Giambi is the support each player gets from his line-up. Bonds is the sole means of offensive production for his team, AND he goes out there and plays each inning of defense for his squad. Not a DH, Bonds doesn't go back to the batting cage and practice his porch stroke like Giambi. And especially like Giambi, Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars. The yanks do and will score runs if Giambi is out...

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Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

I'm schocked!

Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team!

You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and figure you know Halladay is a Blue Jay and not a Tiger. Not that I would be surprised if a yammering yankee fan yuts like yourself didn't take the time to notice the players in the game who don't wear pin-stripes. But then again, I'm the biased one because I don't automatically pick the best skank for MVP. Right, that adds up, AI.

And the award is MVP, most-valuable player... it can be anyone.

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 01:19 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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AI_Franchise03 said:

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the same team. The past Yankees team knew how to play some small-ball, and get clutch hits, especially in post-season. Not the team of today. It seems like the majority of our runs come solely from the longball. Not to mention we lost our mystique.
The roster seems like the same for both teams. The amount of changes, who left, all that.

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Ichiro makes the Mariners. The man does everything right. But the largest advantage he has over Giambi is defense. You can't give the MVP to a DH.

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What does Ichiro do for M's that Giambi doesn't do for us?

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Jesus Christ! where to begin. Have you ever seen Ichiro play. I have seen him win games for the Mariners with his glove, with his arm, with his speed, hitting for power, hitting for contact, sacrificing to move runners along, with is intellegence on the basepaths... Giambi is 'see ball hit ball real hard'... while he's great at it, that's his whole game. And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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You mentioned Ichiro's glove, while there is no question that it is better than Giambi's, but Giambi's glove is nothing to poo-poo(

) about. You don't watch him play regularly so you don't see the types of plays he makes at 1B. He usually saves other IF's errors and does great swoops at over 1B. This has to be credited back to his days in Oak-town, and the vast foul space that ballpark has.
And not only that, but Giambi is even more valuable to Yanks than Ichiro is to the M's, because Giambi is versatile, and can play DH whenever the team asks him, and he has many starts at DH.

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I'm speechless. I'm going to make this my new quote. You rock AI.... what can I say. You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to. I saw Ken Harvey make it the other day. Does that make him better than Ichiro, please.

You obviously love the skanks so much it has clouded your perception of reality. Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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You can't give the MVP to a DH.

Why not? That is ridicolous!
You can help out a team equally, and sometimes even more, with offense rather than your defense. Edgar Martinez is a DH, and you can have a darn good argument that he is their MVP. Actually, there wouldn't be no arguments because the Seatle Mariners themselves sayed that he is their most valuable player.

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

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Without him they're a whole differen't team. That's why they don't want him running so hard. If he happens to hurt himself, and can't be in the lineup, they would miss him dearly. But none of that is necessary because you obviously aren't aware that Giambi has more starts at firstbase than he does in the DH spot. Oh, and just so that you know, in your logic, Bonds CAN'T be the MVP, because he has helped the Giants team more with his bat than he has with his glove. Not to mention that Giambi has MUCH more POs and any other fielding stat you want to bring to the table, with the exception of %. Not to mention, Giambi has 25+ LESS STARTS in the field!

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The only reason Giambi has so many starts at first is because Nick Johnson was on the DL for an extended period of time. And the huge difference between Bonds and Giambi is the support each player gets from his line-up. Bonds is the sole means of offensive production for his team, AND he goes out there and plays each inning of defense for his squad. Not a DH, Bonds doesn't go back to the batting cage and practice his porch stroke like Giambi. And especially like Giambi, Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars. The yanks do and will score runs if Giambi is out...

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Personally, I'd give it to Roy Halladay before I'd go with Giambi.

I'm schocked!

Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team!

You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and figure you know Halladay is a Blue Jay and not a Tiger. Not that I would be surprised if a yammering yankee fan yuts like yourself didn't take the time to notice the players in the game who don't wear pin-stripes. But then again, I'm the biased one because I don't automatically pick the best skank for MVP. Right, that adds up, AI.

And the award is MVP, most-valuable player... it can be anyone.

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 08:27 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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Jesus Christ! where to begin. Have you ever seen Ichiro play. I have seen him win games for the Mariners with his glove, with his arm, with his speed, hitting for power, hitting for contact, sacrificing to move runners along, with is intellegence on the basepaths... Giambi is 'see ball hit ball real hard'... while he's great at it, that's his whole game. And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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The only reason Giambi has so many starts at first is because Nick Johnson was on the DL for an extended period of time.

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That's why Giambi was leading last year too? Even though that's partly accurate. Giambi is our 1st baseman, but Torre prefers starting NJ more at 1B, because NJ isn't used to DH-ing. Not to mention that they want to groom him into a better fielder. That, and they want both fresh and healthy. In the future it may be 50-50 though. Oh and again this is where the "versatile" point comes up for Giambi.
But don't forget that Giambi isn't poor with the glove. He is quite good. You're making it sound like Giambi is horrendous in the field, which isn't true. I'm going to borrow your line here but make few changes of my own.
"You obviously hate the "skanks" so much it has clouded your perception of reality. "

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And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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It definetely helps. Though when Giambi was going on tears the rest, except Matsui, we're slumping. None of them clicked during the same time. This team isn't the best offensive team. And don't tell me that Ichiro's supporting cast is crap. Though it's not the same, but not atrocious either. Actually if you were to compare both teams stats, they both are up to par with each other.

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I'm speechless. I'm going to make this my new quote. You rock AI.... what can I say. You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to. I saw Ken Harvey make it the other day. Does that make him better than Ichiro, please.

You obviously love the skanks so much it has clouded your perception of reality. Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Ok, I expect you to quote it into your sig.
Now point me where I sayed that Giambi's glove is superior to Ichiro's? I stated that there is no question that Ichiro's fielding is bettet than Giambi's. That's something that I did say, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Now, I seen Ken Harvey's defense when he played against us, and he it didn't look good.

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You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to.

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Exactly, they have to. It's only expected that they know how to scoop up a ball from the ground, though not all of them can. And Giambi is better at this than some others.

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Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Again, for a 1B it's not a requirement or expected to have an good arm, or any at all. Decent stregth will do.
I'm satisfied with his defense and range, everything I expect of him he does it...Just like it's expected of Ichiro to make most of his catches, and as a RF, have a good arm. Speed? Not required at both positions.

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Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Calling someone versatile because he can play DH is hilarious?

Hmm..not everyone can handle that role.
And if indeed that's how you feel, why did you quote Nokona, "Did you just call Giambi versatile because he can play DH?"? I can't believe he actually thinks it's easy to be a DH, much like yourself I'm guessing?

If you quoted to show my stupidity, than please at least include who it was targeted at or who made the original comments.
And I think Giambi is the better fielder. Oh, and it's not being merciful, but versatile.

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

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Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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And the huge difference between Bonds and Giambi is the support each player gets from his line-up. Bonds is the sole means of offensive production for his team, AND he goes out there and plays each inning of defense for his squad. Not a DH, Bonds doesn't go back to the batting cage and practice his porch stroke like Giambi. And especially like Giambi, Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars. The yanks do and will score runs if Giambi is out...

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Bonds gets help. Don't worry about him. He is not the only offensive production of that team. You mean to tell me that that team doesn't have a single player who has an HR, or RBI or whatever. Heck, they walk the guy all the time, so how can he be their only offensive production. Obviously someone is getting on base or hitting behind him, to in fact put up some runs. Though he does play defense every inning, it's nothing to gloat about. The point I was trying to make is that Giambi is more active than Bonds and in less games. Calling him a DH is a no-no.
Believe it or not, being DH isn't as good as you think it is.

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Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars.

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I agree, but this team isn't even playing like bunch of all-stars.

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and figure you know Halladay is a Blue Jay and not a Tiger.

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I hope you don't actually think that I'm not aware that Roy Halladay plays for Jays. They're our rivals for christ sake. What baffles me is that you for a second would actually think I though Halladay played for the Detroit Tigers. If he did play for them I would have never found out about him unless he was close to losing 20 games, instead of wins.
The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

A note on that; Halladay isn't the MVP of the club IMO, he won't even win the AL Cy Young(Loaiza), but Delgado is. Even Vernon Wells.

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Not that I would be surprised if a yammering yankee fan yuts like yourself didn't take the time to notice the players in the game who don't wear pin-stripes.

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Dontrelle Willis must be a Yankee than, huh?

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But then again, I'm the biased one because I don't automatically pick the best skank for MVP. Right, that adds up, AI.

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I think you established that allready.

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And the award is MVP, most-valuable player... it can be anyone.

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Not many pitchers have won it. I believe the count is less than 10. You know the voters don't like to give it to the pitchers, and rightfully so.
MVP awards are usually presented to position players, because they play everyday. Not once in five days.
Not mentioning to a player from a losing team. Not many players have done that either.

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 08:27 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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Jesus Christ! where to begin. Have you ever seen Ichiro play. I have seen him win games for the Mariners with his glove, with his arm, with his speed, hitting for power, hitting for contact, sacrificing to move runners along, with is intellegence on the basepaths... Giambi is 'see ball hit ball real hard'... while he's great at it, that's his whole game. And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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The only reason Giambi has so many starts at first is because Nick Johnson was on the DL for an extended period of time.

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That's why Giambi was leading last year too? Even though that's partly accurate. Giambi is our 1st baseman, but Torre prefers starting NJ more at 1B, because NJ isn't used to DH-ing. Not to mention that they want to groom him into a better fielder. That, and they want both fresh and healthy. In the future it may be 50-50 though. Oh and again this is where the "versatile" point comes up for Giambi.
But don't forget that Giambi isn't poor with the glove. He is quite good. You're making it sound like Giambi is horrendous in the field, which isn't true. I'm going to borrow your line here but make few changes of my own.
"You obviously hate the "skanks" so much it has clouded your perception of reality. "

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And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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It definetely helps. Though when Giambi was going on tears the rest, except Matsui, we're slumping. None of them clicked during the same time. This team isn't the best offensive team. And don't tell me that Ichiro's supporting cast is crap. Though it's not the same, but not atrocious either. Actually if you were to compare both teams stats, they both are up to par with each other.

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I'm speechless. I'm going to make this my new quote. You rock AI.... what can I say. You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to. I saw Ken Harvey make it the other day. Does that make him better than Ichiro, please.

You obviously love the skanks so much it has clouded your perception of reality. Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Ok, I expect you to quote it into your sig.
Now point me where I sayed that Giambi's glove is superior to Ichiro's? I stated that there is no question that Ichiro's fielding is bettet than Giambi's. That's something that I did say, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Now, I seen Ken Harvey's defense when he played against us, and he it didn't look good.

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You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to.

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Exactly, they have to. It's only expected that they know how to scoop up a ball from the ground, though not all of them can. And Giambi is better at this than some others.

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Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Again, for a 1B it's not a requirement or expected to have an good arm, or any at all. Decent stregth will do.
I'm satisfied with his defense and range, everything I expect of him he does it...Just like it's expected of Ichiro to make most of his catches, and as a RF, have a good arm. Speed? Not required at both positions.

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Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Calling someone versatile because he can play DH is hilarious?

Hmm..not everyone can handle that role.
And if indeed that's how you feel, why did you quote Nokona, "Did you just call Giambi versatile because he can play DH?"? I can't believe he actually thinks it's easy to be a DH, much like yourself I'm guessing?

If you quoted to show my stupidity, than please at least include who it was targeted at or who made the original comments.
And I think Giambi is the better fielder. Oh, and it's not being merciful, but versatile.

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

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Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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And the huge difference between Bonds and Giambi is the support each player gets from his line-up. Bonds is the sole means of offensive production for his team, AND he goes out there and plays each inning of defense for his squad. Not a DH, Bonds doesn't go back to the batting cage and practice his porch stroke like Giambi. And especially like Giambi, Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars. The yanks do and will score runs if Giambi is out...

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Bonds gets help. Don't worry about him. He is not the only offensive production of that team. You mean to tell me that that team doesn't have a single player who has an HR, or RBI or whatever. Heck, they walk the guy all the time, so how can he be their only offensive production. Obviously someone is getting on base or hitting behind him, to in fact put up some runs. Though he does play defense every inning, it's nothing to gloat about. The point I was trying to make is that Giambi is more active than Bonds and in less games. Calling him a DH is a no-no.
Believe it or not, being DH isn't as good as you think it is.

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Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars.

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I agree, but this team isn't even playing like bunch of all-stars.

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and figure you know Halladay is a Blue Jay and not a Tiger.

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I hope you don't actually think that I'm not aware that Roy Halladay plays for Jays. They're our rivals for christ sake. What baffles me is that you for a second would actually think I though Halladay played for the Detroit Tigers. If he did play for them I would have never found out about him unless he was close to losing 20 games, instead of wins.
The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

A note on that; Halladay isn't the MVP of the club IMO, he won't even win the AL Cy Young(Loaiza), but Delgado is. Even Vernon Wells.

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Not that I would be surprised if a yammering yankee fan yuts like yourself didn't take the time to notice the players in the game who don't wear pin-stripes.

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Dontrelle Willis must be a Yankee than, huh?

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But then again, I'm the biased one because I don't automatically pick the best skank for MVP. Right, that adds up, AI.

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I think you established that allready.

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And the award is MVP, most-valuable player... it can be anyone.

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Not many pitchers have won it. I believe the count is less than 10. You know the voters don't like to give it to the pitchers, and rightfully so.
MVP awards are usually presented to position players, because they play everyday. Not once in five days.
Not mentioning to a player from a losing team. Not many players have done that either.

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 08:27 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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Jesus Christ! where to begin. Have you ever seen Ichiro play. I have seen him win games for the Mariners with his glove, with his arm, with his speed, hitting for power, hitting for contact, sacrificing to move runners along, with is intellegence on the basepaths... Giambi is 'see ball hit ball real hard'... while he's great at it, that's his whole game. And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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The only reason Giambi has so many starts at first is because Nick Johnson was on the DL for an extended period of time.

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That's why Giambi was leading last year too? Even though that's partly accurate. Giambi is our 1st baseman, but Torre prefers starting NJ more at 1B, because NJ isn't used to DH-ing. Not to mention that they want to groom him into a better fielder. That, and they want both fresh and healthy. In the future it may be 50-50 though. Oh and again this is where the "versatile" point comes up for Giambi.
But don't forget that Giambi isn't poor with the glove. He is quite good. You're making it sound like Giambi is horrendous in the field, which isn't true. I'm going to borrow your line here but make few changes of my own.
"You obviously hate the "skanks" so much it has clouded your perception of reality. "

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And when you play in a line-up with Bernie Williams, Matsui, Jeter, Soriano, Boone, Posada... etc, it isn't going to be hard to put up great numbers.

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It definetely helps. Though when Giambi was going on tears the rest, except Matsui, we're slumping. None of them clicked during the same time. This team isn't the best offensive team. And don't tell me that Ichiro's supporting cast is crap. Though it's not the same, but not atrocious either. Actually if you were to compare both teams stats, they both are up to par with each other.

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I'm speechless. I'm going to make this my new quote. You rock AI.... what can I say. You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to. I saw Ken Harvey make it the other day. Does that make him better than Ichiro, please.

You obviously love the skanks so much it has clouded your perception of reality. Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Ok, I expect you to quote it into your sig.
Now point me where I sayed that Giambi's glove is superior to Ichiro's? I stated that there is no question that Ichiro's fielding is bettet than Giambi's. That's something that I did say, so I don't know where you got that idea from. Now, I seen Ken Harvey's defense when he played against us, and he it didn't look good.

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You're wrong. Each and every 1b in baseball makes the scoop play. They have to.

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Exactly, they have to. It's only expected that they know how to scoop up a ball from the ground, though not all of them can. And Giambi is better at this than some others.

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Giambi has all the range of a beer keg. Plus he can't throw. That makes him a liability. Nick Johnson is twice the 1st baseman he is. Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Again, for a 1B it's not a requirement or expected to have an good arm, or any at all. Decent stregth will do.
I'm satisfied with his defense and range, everything I expect of him he does it...Just like it's expected of Ichiro to make most of his catches, and as a RF, have a good arm. Speed? Not required at both positions.

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Calling him versatile because he can play DH is hilarious, it's not being versatile, it's being merciful...

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Calling someone versatile because he can play DH is hilarious?

Hmm..not everyone can handle that role.
And if indeed that's how you feel, why did you quote Nokona, "Did you just call Giambi versatile because he can play DH?"? I can't believe he actually thinks it's easy to be a DH, much like yourself I'm guessing?

If you quoted to show my stupidity, than please at least include who it was targeted at or who made the original comments.
And I think Giambi is the better fielder. Oh, and it's not being merciful, but versatile.

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

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Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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And the huge difference between Bonds and Giambi is the support each player gets from his line-up. Bonds is the sole means of offensive production for his team, AND he goes out there and plays each inning of defense for his squad. Not a DH, Bonds doesn't go back to the batting cage and practice his porch stroke like Giambi. And especially like Giambi, Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars. The yanks do and will score runs if Giambi is out...

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Bonds gets help. Don't worry about him. He is not the only offensive production of that team. You mean to tell me that that team doesn't have a single player who has an HR, or RBI or whatever. Heck, they walk the guy all the time, so how can he be their only offensive production. Obviously someone is getting on base or hitting behind him, to in fact put up some runs. Though he does play defense every inning, it's nothing to gloat about. The point I was trying to make is that Giambi is more active than Bonds and in less games. Calling him a DH is a no-no.
Believe it or not, being DH isn't as good as you think it is.

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Bonds doesn't play in a line-up of all-stars.

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I agree, but this team isn't even playing like bunch of all-stars.

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, and figure you know Halladay is a Blue Jay and not a Tiger.

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I hope you don't actually think that I'm not aware that Roy Halladay plays for Jays. They're our rivals for christ sake. What baffles me is that you for a second would actually think I though Halladay played for the Detroit Tigers. If he did play for them I would have never found out about him unless he was close to losing 20 games, instead of wins.
The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

A note on that; Halladay isn't the MVP of the club IMO, he won't even win the AL Cy Young(Loaiza), but Delgado is. Even Vernon Wells.

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Not that I would be surprised if a yammering yankee fan yuts like yourself didn't take the time to notice the players in the game who don't wear pin-stripes.

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Dontrelle Willis must be a Yankee than, huh?

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But then again, I'm the biased one because I don't automatically pick the best skank for MVP. Right, that adds up, AI.

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I think you established that allready.

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And the award is MVP, most-valuable player... it can be anyone.

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Not many pitchers have won it. I believe the count is less than 10. You know the voters don't like to give it to the pitchers, and rightfully so.
MVP awards are usually presented to position players, because they play everyday. Not once in five days.
Not mentioning to a player from a losing team. Not many players have done that either.

**Nokona** · 08-23-2003, 08:39 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

DH is not being versatile. It means you can hit a baseball.

Frank Catlanatto and Melvin Mora are versatile. Hank Blalock is versatile. Aaron Boone is versatile. Jason Giambi? He plays first base. He is not versatile. I will agree, he can hit a baseball. But he can not play 3 positions. He can not play the outfield. He can not catch. He can catch, and hit. He is a 2 tool baseball player. He isn't versatile. Tony Graffanino is versatile. You can not call someone versatile because they can DH. That is ludicrous. P

**Nokona** · 08-23-2003, 08:39 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

DH is not being versatile. It means you can hit a baseball.

Frank Catlanatto and Melvin Mora are versatile. Hank Blalock is versatile. Aaron Boone is versatile. Jason Giambi? He plays first base. He is not versatile. I will agree, he can hit a baseball. But he can not play 3 positions. He can not play the outfield. He can not catch. He can catch, and hit. He is a 2 tool baseball player. He isn't versatile. Tony Graffanino is versatile. You can not call someone versatile because they can DH. That is ludicrous. P

**Nokona** · 08-23-2003, 08:39 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

DH is not being versatile. It means you can hit a baseball.

Frank Catlanatto and Melvin Mora are versatile. Hank Blalock is versatile. Aaron Boone is versatile. Jason Giambi? He plays first base. He is not versatile. I will agree, he can hit a baseball. But he can not play 3 positions. He can not play the outfield. He can not catch. He can catch, and hit. He is a 2 tool baseball player. He isn't versatile. Tony Graffanino is versatile. You can not call someone versatile because they can DH. That is ludicrous. P

**Chuck** · 08-23-2003, 10:07 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

Ichiro.

**Chuck** · 08-23-2003, 10:07 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

Ichiro.

**Chuck** · 08-23-2003, 10:07 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

Ichiro.

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I think what AI means is that Giambi is versatile because he ALLOWS himself to be put in the DH spot, or something. Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say) or that it's just hard on the ego, I don't know. He still hasn't made clear what he means.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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First off, you're right about Giambi being more than a power hitter. He is a brilliant all around hitter. His approach is second to none. Also, to his credit, he does a lot of his damage on the road. He isn't a Yankee stadium hitter. I commend him for that.

But an above average first-baseman he is not. It is NOT OKAY to have a first-sacker who cannot throw-- see Todd Helton and all the double-plays he starts for the Rockies (outs the yankees don't get when Giambi plays) It is also not okay to have a first-sacker with no range. A bat like Giambi's makes it acceptable, but when deciding an MVP, you need to hit a HELLUVA LOT to make up for the hole in your defensive game. Yankee or not, Giambi is going to have to get that OPS over 1.1 like he had in 2001 (and still lost to Ichiro) for him to make the grade in my mind. Ichiro is an asset to his team on EACH and EVERY PITCH. The baseball minds know that. That's why he gets the grade. But he can always slump, and the M's could (and probably will) fall apart-- in which case his claim becomes weaker.

Now then, as for Edgar...

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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You're right, I do live near Seattle, which is exactly why I haven't heard that Edgar is more valuable than Ichiro. Because it's nonsense. What was probably meant, though I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of you butt in an attempt to glorify the importance and difficulty of the time-honored DH position, was that Edgar is more valuable to the character and chemistry of the M's. The fans in Seattle love him (he is like what Gwynn was to the Pads and Ripken to the Orioles). But the most valuable M he definitely is not. And these virtues have NOTHING to do with the fact he shares the DH position with Giambi.

As for insulting your Roy Halladay intellegence... this is what you wrote before...

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I'm schocked!
Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team! You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets... But as for the yankees, when they deserve something other than absolute contempt I'll be there to give it. The yanks definitely have a lot to prove for me to give any credit to them, but I think you're on the other side of that coin-- you are WAY to eager to give credit when really there isn't much reason to give it.

Giambi has holes in his game. If he's going to be MVP he needs to hit better than he has ever hit... he's got some work to do. Ichiro does regularly for the M's what Jeter tends to do for the Yanks in the clutch during the playoffs-- he possesses the intanglibles that Giambi does not.

And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

Peace out, AI.

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I think what AI means is that Giambi is versatile because he ALLOWS himself to be put in the DH spot, or something. Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say) or that it's just hard on the ego, I don't know. He still hasn't made clear what he means.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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First off, you're right about Giambi being more than a power hitter. He is a brilliant all around hitter. His approach is second to none. Also, to his credit, he does a lot of his damage on the road. He isn't a Yankee stadium hitter. I commend him for that.

But an above average first-baseman he is not. It is NOT OKAY to have a first-sacker who cannot throw-- see Todd Helton and all the double-plays he starts for the Rockies (outs the yankees don't get when Giambi plays) It is also not okay to have a first-sacker with no range. A bat like Giambi's makes it acceptable, but when deciding an MVP, you need to hit a HELLUVA LOT to make up for the hole in your defensive game. Yankee or not, Giambi is going to have to get that OPS over 1.1 like he had in 2001 (and still lost to Ichiro) for him to make the grade in my mind. Ichiro is an asset to his team on EACH and EVERY PITCH. The baseball minds know that. That's why he gets the grade. But he can always slump, and the M's could (and probably will) fall apart-- in which case his claim becomes weaker.

Now then, as for Edgar...

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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You're right, I do live near Seattle, which is exactly why I haven't heard that Edgar is more valuable than Ichiro. Because it's nonsense. What was probably meant, though I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of you butt in an attempt to glorify the importance and difficulty of the time-honored DH position, was that Edgar is more valuable to the character and chemistry of the M's. The fans in Seattle love him (he is like what Gwynn was to the Pads and Ripken to the Orioles). But the most valuable M he definitely is not. And these virtues have NOTHING to do with the fact he shares the DH position with Giambi.

As for insulting your Roy Halladay intellegence... this is what you wrote before...

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I'm schocked!
Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team! You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

<hr /></blockquote>

Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets... But as for the yankees, when they deserve something other than absolute contempt I'll be there to give it. The yanks definitely have a lot to prove for me to give any credit to them, but I think you're on the other side of that coin-- you are WAY to eager to give credit when really there isn't much reason to give it.

Giambi has holes in his game. If he's going to be MVP he needs to hit better than he has ever hit... he's got some work to do. Ichiro does regularly for the M's what Jeter tends to do for the Yanks in the clutch during the playoffs-- he possesses the intanglibles that Giambi does not.

And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

Peace out, AI.

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