Who should win the AL MVP?

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I think what AI means is that Giambi is versatile because he ALLOWS himself to be put in the DH spot, or something. Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say) or that it's just hard on the ego, I don't know. He still hasn't made clear what he means.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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First off, you're right about Giambi being more than a power hitter. He is a brilliant all around hitter. His approach is second to none. Also, to his credit, he does a lot of his damage on the road. He isn't a Yankee stadium hitter. I commend him for that.

But an above average first-baseman he is not. It is NOT OKAY to have a first-sacker who cannot throw-- see Todd Helton and all the double-plays he starts for the Rockies (outs the yankees don't get when Giambi plays) It is also not okay to have a first-sacker with no range. A bat like Giambi's makes it acceptable, but when deciding an MVP, you need to hit a HELLUVA LOT to make up for the hole in your defensive game. Yankee or not, Giambi is going to have to get that OPS over 1.1 like he had in 2001 (and still lost to Ichiro) for him to make the grade in my mind. Ichiro is an asset to his team on EACH and EVERY PITCH. The baseball minds know that. That's why he gets the grade. But he can always slump, and the M's could (and probably will) fall apart-- in which case his claim becomes weaker.

Now then, as for Edgar...

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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You're right, I do live near Seattle, which is exactly why I haven't heard that Edgar is more valuable than Ichiro. Because it's nonsense. What was probably meant, though I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of you butt in an attempt to glorify the importance and difficulty of the time-honored DH position, was that Edgar is more valuable to the character and chemistry of the M's. The fans in Seattle love him (he is like what Gwynn was to the Pads and Ripken to the Orioles). But the most valuable M he definitely is not. And these virtues have NOTHING to do with the fact he shares the DH position with Giambi.

As for insulting your Roy Halladay intellegence... this is what you wrote before...

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I'm schocked!
Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team! You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets... But as for the yankees, when they deserve something other than absolute contempt I'll be there to give it. The yanks definitely have a lot to prove for me to give any credit to them, but I think you're on the other side of that coin-- you are WAY to eager to give credit when really there isn't much reason to give it.

Giambi has holes in his game. If he's going to be MVP he needs to hit better than he has ever hit... he's got some work to do. Ichiro does regularly for the M's what Jeter tends to do for the Yanks in the clutch during the playoffs-- he possesses the intanglibles that Giambi does not.

And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

Peace out, AI.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 10:30 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say)

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I think that is what he is saying. If he is, well I see is point, but I think he is stretching it.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 10:30 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say)

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I think that is what he is saying. If he is, well I see is point, but I think he is stretching it.

**NYJets** · 08-23-2003, 10:30 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say)

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I think that is what he is saying. If he is, well I see is point, but I think he is stretching it.

**Vince** · 08-23-2003, 10:40 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I don't buy that one bit...You don't need to get "used" to playing DH...

**Vince** · 08-23-2003, 10:40 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I don't buy that one bit...You don't need to get "used" to playing DH...

**Vince** · 08-23-2003, 10:40 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I don't buy that one bit...You don't need to get "used" to playing DH...

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 11:04 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
I think what AI means is that Giambi is versatile because he ALLOWS himself to be put in the DH spot, or something. Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say) or that it's just hard on the ego, I don't know. He still hasn't made clear what he means.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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First off, you're right about Giambi being more than a power hitter. He is a brilliant all around hitter. His approach is second to none. Also, to his credit, he does a lot of his damage on the road. He isn't a Yankee stadium hitter. I commend him for that.

But an above average first-baseman he is not. It is NOT OKAY to have a first-sacker who cannot throw-- see Todd Helton and all the double-plays he starts for the Rockies (outs the yankees don't get when Giambi plays) It is also not okay to have a first-sacker with no range. A bat like Giambi's makes it acceptable, but when deciding an MVP, you need to hit a HELLUVA LOT to make up for the hole in your defensive game. Yankee or not, Giambi is going to have to get that OPS over 1.1 like he had in 2001 (and still lost to Ichiro) for him to make the grade in my mind. Ichiro is an asset to his team on EACH and EVERY PITCH. The baseball minds know that. That's why he gets the grade. But he can always slump, and the M's could (and probably will) fall apart-- in which case his claim becomes weaker.

Now then, as for Edgar...

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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You're right, I do live near Seattle, which is exactly why I haven't heard that Edgar is more valuable than Ichiro. Because it's nonsense. What was probably meant, though I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of you butt in an attempt to glorify the importance and difficulty of the time-honored DH position, was that Edgar is more valuable to the character and chemistry of the M's. The fans in Seattle love him (he is like what Gwynn was to the Pads and Ripken to the Orioles). But the most valuable M he definitely is not. And these virtues have NOTHING to do with the fact he shares the DH position with Giambi.

As for insulting your Roy Halladay intellegence... this is what you wrote before...

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I'm schocked!
Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team! You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets... But as for the yankees, when they deserve something other than absolute contempt I'll be there to give it. The yanks definitely have a lot to prove for me to give any credit to them, but I think you're on the other side of that coin-- you are WAY to eager to give credit when really there isn't much reason to give it.

Giambi has holes in his game. If he's going to be MVP he needs to hit better than he has ever hit... he's got some work to do. Ichiro does regularly for the M's what Jeter tends to do for the Yanks in the clutch during the playoffs-- he possesses the intanglibles that Giambi does not.

And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

Peace out, AI.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets

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Yes, my mistake. You got me there. I think the '69 Mets won the WS..or maybe not. Something about that team that apparently stuck in my head.

Now the reason why I didn't comment on what Nokona sayed about Blalock being versatile, and not Giambi, is because I was waiting for you to comment about Giambi's "versatility" and if you find the comment indeed hilarious. Still haven't got the answer.
Anyways, here's the definition I was trying to use when calling Giambi versatile, and I think you nailed it;
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Turning with ease from one thing to another; readily applied to a new task, or to various subjects

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Not every player wants or is willing to accept the role of a DH. If you are DH, you're taken out of the game. This affects your mentality. It may not even be healthy for some because you may be focusing or thinking too much about your next AB, or your previous AB. You're not in the flow of the game. Practically all you do is sit and wait for the next time you come up, which is quite a while. Maybe take some batting practice. Nothing can change your mind, or change boo's to hooray's like a good play in the field. Of course this option is taken away once you become DH. I'm sure I can explain it more thoroughly, but I think you get the point.

I haven't seen many balls hit to Giambi with a guy on first, same story with NJ. But I'm satisfied with his glove, DH-ing, offensive production, all that, so in my mind he's a worthy MVP canidate. He could get back to his or come close to his 2001,2000(MVP) season by the end of the regular season. Still over a month left. The categories that he's behind now, compared to 2000, are AVG, runs, OBP, SLG, OPS, AB..all that can be made up and few that some don't think are important stats.
Obviously, stats like RBIS and HRs in which he trails, which is a no suprise because he has less ABs, he can always make up.

If you were to compare Ichiro's team's statistics to our's, they're mostly even. But you do agree that whoever takes his team deeper into the Postseason deserves the MVP, or no?
Perhaps we have a better bullpen(

), or maybe starters(2 40 year olds), which I might add are poorer compared to M's era.

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The first line is supposed to be sarcastic. The rest not. I agree my context wasn't as I wanted it.
A team that doesn't go on to the postseason, I consider a losing season.

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And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

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I'm on the same page with you there, but only with the exception of Giambi. David Ortiz is one of them. I can't stand him. I don't like Karim Garcia, but his face is nowhere to the extent of BARRY BONDS.
Now, you must hate Barry Bonds because let's just tell it like it is, he's got a moonface.

The guy has the largest head, shape of face(

), and he's clean shaven. All that you have described. Plus he's bulky, or built, which ever you prefer.
Anyone compared him to his earlier days?

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 11:04 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
I think what AI means is that Giambi is versatile because he ALLOWS himself to be put in the DH spot, or something. Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say) or that it's just hard on the ego, I don't know. He still hasn't made clear what he means.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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First off, you're right about Giambi being more than a power hitter. He is a brilliant all around hitter. His approach is second to none. Also, to his credit, he does a lot of his damage on the road. He isn't a Yankee stadium hitter. I commend him for that.

But an above average first-baseman he is not. It is NOT OKAY to have a first-sacker who cannot throw-- see Todd Helton and all the double-plays he starts for the Rockies (outs the yankees don't get when Giambi plays) It is also not okay to have a first-sacker with no range. A bat like Giambi's makes it acceptable, but when deciding an MVP, you need to hit a HELLUVA LOT to make up for the hole in your defensive game. Yankee or not, Giambi is going to have to get that OPS over 1.1 like he had in 2001 (and still lost to Ichiro) for him to make the grade in my mind. Ichiro is an asset to his team on EACH and EVERY PITCH. The baseball minds know that. That's why he gets the grade. But he can always slump, and the M's could (and probably will) fall apart-- in which case his claim becomes weaker.

Now then, as for Edgar...

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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You're right, I do live near Seattle, which is exactly why I haven't heard that Edgar is more valuable than Ichiro. Because it's nonsense. What was probably meant, though I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of you butt in an attempt to glorify the importance and difficulty of the time-honored DH position, was that Edgar is more valuable to the character and chemistry of the M's. The fans in Seattle love him (he is like what Gwynn was to the Pads and Ripken to the Orioles). But the most valuable M he definitely is not. And these virtues have NOTHING to do with the fact he shares the DH position with Giambi.

As for insulting your Roy Halladay intellegence... this is what you wrote before...

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I'm schocked!
Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team! You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

<hr /></blockquote>

Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets... But as for the yankees, when they deserve something other than absolute contempt I'll be there to give it. The yanks definitely have a lot to prove for me to give any credit to them, but I think you're on the other side of that coin-- you are WAY to eager to give credit when really there isn't much reason to give it.

Giambi has holes in his game. If he's going to be MVP he needs to hit better than he has ever hit... he's got some work to do. Ichiro does regularly for the M's what Jeter tends to do for the Yanks in the clutch during the playoffs-- he possesses the intanglibles that Giambi does not.

And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

Peace out, AI.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets

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Yes, my mistake. You got me there. I think the '69 Mets won the WS..or maybe not. Something about that team that apparently stuck in my head.

Now the reason why I didn't comment on what Nokona sayed about Blalock being versatile, and not Giambi, is because I was waiting for you to comment about Giambi's "versatility" and if you find the comment indeed hilarious. Still haven't got the answer.
Anyways, here's the definition I was trying to use when calling Giambi versatile, and I think you nailed it;
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Turning with ease from one thing to another; readily applied to a new task, or to various subjects

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Not every player wants or is willing to accept the role of a DH. If you are DH, you're taken out of the game. This affects your mentality. It may not even be healthy for some because you may be focusing or thinking too much about your next AB, or your previous AB. You're not in the flow of the game. Practically all you do is sit and wait for the next time you come up, which is quite a while. Maybe take some batting practice. Nothing can change your mind, or change boo's to hooray's like a good play in the field. Of course this option is taken away once you become DH. I'm sure I can explain it more thoroughly, but I think you get the point.

I haven't seen many balls hit to Giambi with a guy on first, same story with NJ. But I'm satisfied with his glove, DH-ing, offensive production, all that, so in my mind he's a worthy MVP canidate. He could get back to his or come close to his 2001,2000(MVP) season by the end of the regular season. Still over a month left. The categories that he's behind now, compared to 2000, are AVG, runs, OBP, SLG, OPS, AB..all that can be made up and few that some don't think are important stats.
Obviously, stats like RBIS and HRs in which he trails, which is a no suprise because he has less ABs, he can always make up.

If you were to compare Ichiro's team's statistics to our's, they're mostly even. But you do agree that whoever takes his team deeper into the Postseason deserves the MVP, or no?
Perhaps we have a better bullpen(

), or maybe starters(2 40 year olds), which I might add are poorer compared to M's era.

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The first line is supposed to be sarcastic. The rest not. I agree my context wasn't as I wanted it.
A team that doesn't go on to the postseason, I consider a losing season.

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And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

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I'm on the same page with you there, but only with the exception of Giambi. David Ortiz is one of them. I can't stand him. I don't like Karim Garcia, but his face is nowhere to the extent of BARRY BONDS.
Now, you must hate Barry Bonds because let's just tell it like it is, he's got a moonface.

The guy has the largest head, shape of face(

), and he's clean shaven. All that you have described. Plus he's bulky, or built, which ever you prefer.
Anyone compared him to his earlier days?

**AI_Franchise03** · 08-23-2003, 11:04 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

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dce1228 said:
I think what AI means is that Giambi is versatile because he ALLOWS himself to be put in the DH spot, or something. Perhaps he's implying that DHing is tough because it mentally takes you out of the game (which I've heard many say) or that it's just hard on the ego, I don't know. He still hasn't made clear what he means.

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Wow! That is a lot!
His whole game? He is also can get OBP any way possible, icluding Walks. But If that's what you believe, than every slugger doesn't deserve the MVP award, and leading-off slap-hitters do. Giambi isn't an outfielder, he is a 1B. So he doesn't need to have an arm nor a great glove to help out his team. He has an "above average" glove, and he doesn't need to have a strong arm, again because he is a 1B, not a RF. Ichiro is one of the fastest in the league, so if he makes a mistake on the bags, he can make it up thanks to his speed. Can't say the same for Giambi, so he isn't as agressive, nor does he make many mistakes in baserunning. All we need from Giambi is to DH from time to time, play 1B, and be productive in any way possible. Which he doesn't have a problem doing so, how ever he wants to go about doing it.

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First off, you're right about Giambi being more than a power hitter. He is a brilliant all around hitter. His approach is second to none. Also, to his credit, he does a lot of his damage on the road. He isn't a Yankee stadium hitter. I commend him for that.

But an above average first-baseman he is not. It is NOT OKAY to have a first-sacker who cannot throw-- see Todd Helton and all the double-plays he starts for the Rockies (outs the yankees don't get when Giambi plays) It is also not okay to have a first-sacker with no range. A bat like Giambi's makes it acceptable, but when deciding an MVP, you need to hit a HELLUVA LOT to make up for the hole in your defensive game. Yankee or not, Giambi is going to have to get that OPS over 1.1 like he had in 2001 (and still lost to Ichiro) for him to make the grade in my mind. Ichiro is an asset to his team on EACH and EVERY PITCH. The baseball minds know that. That's why he gets the grade. But he can always slump, and the M's could (and probably will) fall apart-- in which case his claim becomes weaker.

Now then, as for Edgar...

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provide me a source for this, I think you're making it up. Either that or you're taking it WAY our of context...

Well, I heard it from someone who deals with Baseball, and it's not that hard to see that, at least in my opinion.
Can an M's fan confirm what I have sayed about Edgarr and the team? Kerplunk? I know you hate the Yanks and are an M's fan, can you help if you're reading this?
If noneone can confirm, I'll do my best to find you an article or something about this. Living in Oregon, and watching M's game, I'm suprised you never heard about this.

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You're right, I do live near Seattle, which is exactly why I haven't heard that Edgar is more valuable than Ichiro. Because it's nonsense. What was probably meant, though I'm pretty sure you just pulled that out of you butt in an attempt to glorify the importance and difficulty of the time-honored DH position, was that Edgar is more valuable to the character and chemistry of the M's. The fans in Seattle love him (he is like what Gwynn was to the Pads and Ripken to the Orioles). But the most valuable M he definitely is not. And these virtues have NOTHING to do with the fact he shares the DH position with Giambi.

As for insulting your Roy Halladay intellegence... this is what you wrote before...

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I'm schocked!
Seriously, you're anti-Yankee in every aspect, so you would first give the award to a Detroit Tiger, than to a NY Yankee. That's no suprise to me.
Oh, and I'm against giving pitchers the MVP award, especially on a LOSING team! You don't see a batter get a CY Young award, do you?

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The point I was trying to make was that you would never give something to a NY Yankee, because you think they don't deserved it, even if they did. So you would first give it to someone who didn't win it on merit, so I sayed the Detroit Tigers(look up '69 Mets), rather than someone you hate, which are the Yanks.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets... But as for the yankees, when they deserve something other than absolute contempt I'll be there to give it. The yanks definitely have a lot to prove for me to give any credit to them, but I think you're on the other side of that coin-- you are WAY to eager to give credit when really there isn't much reason to give it.

Giambi has holes in his game. If he's going to be MVP he needs to hit better than he has ever hit... he's got some work to do. Ichiro does regularly for the M's what Jeter tends to do for the Yanks in the clutch during the playoffs-- he possesses the intanglibles that Giambi does not.

And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

Peace out, AI.

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.. and I think you mean the 62' Mets

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Yes, my mistake. You got me there. I think the '69 Mets won the WS..or maybe not. Something about that team that apparently stuck in my head.

Now the reason why I didn't comment on what Nokona sayed about Blalock being versatile, and not Giambi, is because I was waiting for you to comment about Giambi's "versatility" and if you find the comment indeed hilarious. Still haven't got the answer.
Anyways, here's the definition I was trying to use when calling Giambi versatile, and I think you nailed it;
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Turning with ease from one thing to another; readily applied to a new task, or to various subjects

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Not every player wants or is willing to accept the role of a DH. If you are DH, you're taken out of the game. This affects your mentality. It may not even be healthy for some because you may be focusing or thinking too much about your next AB, or your previous AB. You're not in the flow of the game. Practically all you do is sit and wait for the next time you come up, which is quite a while. Maybe take some batting practice. Nothing can change your mind, or change boo's to hooray's like a good play in the field. Of course this option is taken away once you become DH. I'm sure I can explain it more thoroughly, but I think you get the point.

I haven't seen many balls hit to Giambi with a guy on first, same story with NJ. But I'm satisfied with his glove, DH-ing, offensive production, all that, so in my mind he's a worthy MVP canidate. He could get back to his or come close to his 2001,2000(MVP) season by the end of the regular season. Still over a month left. The categories that he's behind now, compared to 2000, are AVG, runs, OBP, SLG, OPS, AB..all that can be made up and few that some don't think are important stats.
Obviously, stats like RBIS and HRs in which he trails, which is a no suprise because he has less ABs, he can always make up.

If you were to compare Ichiro's team's statistics to our's, they're mostly even. But you do agree that whoever takes his team deeper into the Postseason deserves the MVP, or no?
Perhaps we have a better bullpen(

), or maybe starters(2 40 year olds), which I might add are poorer compared to M's era.

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Now anyone with a tenth grade english education must assume you were stating Halladay was a Tiger... like I said, I didn't think that little of you... but the Blue Jays had a .500 record as of this morning so sorry if I'm a little slow trying to figure out just what you're trying to say...

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The first line is supposed to be sarcastic. The rest not. I agree my context wasn't as I wanted it.
A team that doesn't go on to the postseason, I consider a losing season.

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And my REAL hatred for Giambi is due to my deep hatred of heavy herbavore dinosaurs. Giambi looks like a Diplodocus since he became a skank and had to shave his face. He has the fattest roundest face in baseball. I hate @#$@#!! fat dinosaur faced designated hitters... especially when they play for that economic joke known as the Yankees.

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I'm on the same page with you there, but only with the exception of Giambi. David Ortiz is one of them. I can't stand him. I don't like Karim Garcia, but his face is nowhere to the extent of BARRY BONDS.
Now, you must hate Barry Bonds because let's just tell it like it is, he's got a moonface.

The guy has the largest head, shape of face(

), and he's clean shaven. All that you have described. Plus he's bulky, or built, which ever you prefer.
Anyone compared him to his earlier days?

**Coasterman28** · 08-23-2003, 11:27 PM

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I can't believe he actually thinks it's easy to be a DH, much like yourself I'm guessing?

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Yeah, it can get pretty rough trying to dodge those splinters on the bench!

**Coasterman28** · 08-23-2003, 11:27 PM

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I can't believe he actually thinks it's easy to be a DH, much like yourself I'm guessing?

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Yeah, it can get pretty rough trying to dodge those splinters on the bench!

**Coasterman28** · 08-23-2003, 11:27 PM

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I can't believe he actually thinks it's easy to be a DH, much like yourself I'm guessing?

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Yeah, it can get pretty rough trying to dodge those splinters on the bench!

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 11:35 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I'm sorry if you don't see the humor in stating that "Giambi is versatile enough to play DH if need be..." I found Nokona's post questioning you on it hilarious. Why you waited this long to explain it is beyond me. Just the idea of a guy being versatile enough to sit on the bench is pretty rediculous. But I still think you're painting with a pretty broad brush here with your definition of versatile. You could say Jeff Cirillo is 'versatile' because he's about to be put on the bench permanently because he sucks. Well, he's readily gone to a new task, I guess. The point is you dug a ditch for yourself when you claimed this 'versatility' of Giambi's (basically being replaced by a better fielder) somehow warranted him more consideration for MVP... that's ssstttreeeettttchhhhinnngggg it.

I think we need to wait and see how September pans out before deciding who's MVP. But for now Ichiro has the advantage.

**dce1228** · 08-23-2003, 11:35 PM

Re: Who should win the AL MVP?

I'm sorry if you don't see the humor in stating that "Giambi is versatile enough to play DH if need be..." I found Nokona's post questioning you on it hilarious. Why you waited this long to explain it is beyond me. Just the idea of a guy being versatile enough to sit on the bench is pretty rediculous. But I still think you're painting with a pretty broad brush here with your definition of versatile. You could say Jeff Cirillo is 'versatile' because he's about to be put on the bench permanently because he sucks. Well, he's readily gone to a new task, I guess. The point is you dug a ditch for yourself when you claimed this 'versatility' of Giambi's (basically being replaced by a better fielder) somehow warranted him more consideration for MVP... that's ssstttreeeettttchhhhinnngggg it.

I think we need to wait and see how September pans out before deciding who's MVP. But for now Ichiro has the advantage.

Who should win the AL MVP?

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