Derek Jeter

[Sandman42]

Re: Derek Jeter

jeter is def a hall of famer, but in my eyes he isn't a first ballot player, first ballot hall of famers is for the truly elite I can't say that jeter is an elite player

This is something I can't stand. If you are a HOFer you are a HOFer. Writers who don't vote for players on the first ballot because they aren't good enough to be a first ballot HOFer (whatever that means) are idiots and should have their credentials revoked.

[Kashanova]

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This is something I can't stand. If you are a HOFer you are a HOFer. Writers who don't vote for players on the first ballot because they aren't good enough to be a first ballot HOFer (whatever that means) are idiots and should have their credentials revoked.

i guess the credentials should be revoked from the person who created the term first ballot HOFer

[Scottdau]

Kash when he gets 3,000 hits he will be. The thing about the baseball HOF. Is they do it right. It is hard to get into it. I wish all the sports did it that way.

[RonnieG]

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Kash when he gets 3,000 hits he will be. The thing about the baseball HOF. Is they do it right. It is hard to get into it. I wish all the sports did it that way.

Yeah, if he doesnt get 3000 hits and you remove the fact that he's a Yankee, what makes him different than Bert Blyleven?

The people who are boohooing about the 3000 benchmark, need to look at Bert Blyleven or Dale Murphy.

[TheWorldIsYours]

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Yeah, if he doesnt get 3000 hits and you remove the fact that he's a Yankee, what makes him different than Bert Blyleven?

The people who are boohooing about the 3000 benchmark, need to look at Bert Blyleven or Dale Murphy.

But why should we remove those facts? He was a Yankee, we cant go back in time and take away the 5 rings he has with them.

Dale Murphy? How could you even compare these two.

The whole being a Yankees thing is really annoying. You guys are acting like the yankees were a dynasty before he joined them. They did not win a title since 1978 until Jeter arrived.

Were just supposed to remove the 5 rings and all other accolades he has because he did it as a Yankee? What sense does that even make?

[Scottdau]

But why should we remove those facts? He was a Yankee, we cant go back in time and take away the 5 rings he has with them.

Dale Murphy? How could you even compare these two.

The whole being a Yankees thing is really annoying. You guys are acting like the yankees were a dynasty before he joined them. They did not win a title since 1978 until Jeter arrived.

Were just supposed to remove the 5 rings and all other accolades he has because he did it as a Yankee? What sense does that even make?

Jeter was a big part of those rings, but I have a feeling the Yankees still win those with out Jeter. Dale was a beast and should be in the Hall if he is not already.

[RonnieG]

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But why should we remove those facts? He was a Yankee, we cant go back in time and take away the 5 rings he has with them.

Dale Murphy? How could you even compare these two.

The whole being a Yankees thing is really annoying. You guys are acting like the yankees were a dynasty before he joined them. They did not win a title since 1978 until Jeter arrived.

Were just supposed to remove the 5 rings and all other accolades he has because he did it as a Yankee? What sense does that even make?

Its easy. Dale Murphy was awesome for a stretch of time back in the 80s and ended up a few HRs short of a HOF bench mark. Consequently, he's not in.

Because Derek Jeter isnt the only candidate to make it into the HOF and not every candidate was fortunate to play for a team that had endless resources, the team shouldnt matter.

Thats if youre going to be fair. But if he gets 3000, he should be a lock. As I said before, if he gets 3000 and you didnt let him in, that wouldnt be fair. But if he doesnt get 3000, Im not really sure he's better than Dale Murphy or Bert Blyleven.

BTW, I think both Dale Murphy and Bert Blyleven should be in, but if theyre not, and Jeter also ends up just short of the benchmark, I dont see why its a certainty that he should get in and not Blyleven or Murphy.

[TheWorldIsYours]

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Its easy. Dale Murphy was awesome for a stretch of time back in the 80s and ended up a few HRs short of a HOF bench mark. Consequently, he's not in.

Because Derek Jeter isnt the only candidate to make it into the HOF and not every candidate was fortunate to play for a team that had endless resources, the team shouldnt matter.

Thats if youre going to be fair. But if he gets 3000, he should be a lock. As I said before, if he gets 3000 and you didnt let him in, that wouldnt be fair. But if he doesnt get 3000, Im not really sure he's better than Dale Murphy or Bert Blyleven.

BTW, I think both Dale Murphy and Bert Blyleven should be in, but if theyre not, and Jeter also ends up just short of the benchmark, I dont see why its a certainty that he should get in and not Blyleven or Murphy.

But he played on and was the focal point of 5 Championship teams, just because he played for the Yankees we take those away also?

Sure Yankees had "endless resources" but you still have to go out their and play the games and Derek Jeter has some of the best post-season numbers in history and plays in history. Im sorry but Im not going take away a guys accolades just because of the team he played for, that's not right.

The 3000 hits is no bench mark. IMO Derek Jeter is a first-ballot hall of famer if he retired today even without the 3000 hits. Sure playing for the Yankees has given him alot of hype and respect but does not take away from the numbers the guy has put up.

If it wasnt for Derek Jeter the Yankees would not have those 5 titles and that is what guarantees him a Hall of Fame spot IMO.

[RonnieG]

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But he played on and was the focal point of 5 Championship teams, just because he played for the Yankees we take those away also?

Are you kidding? It was just having Jeter as a cornerstone player? The other bats in the lineup produced bacause they had Jeter? And what about the pitching? The last time I checked, you dont win a WS without good pitching. Did the Yankees win in spite of having bad pitching just because they had Jeter?

Sure Yankees had "endless resources" but you still have to go out their and play the games and Derek Jeter has some of the best post-season numbers in history and plays in history. Im sorry but Im not going take away a guys accolades just because of the team he played for, that's not right.

Ive addressed this before. Not all great players were fortunate enough to have played for a team with endless resources and Jeter is competing with those guys who are also trying to make it into the hall of fame. Some of the guys he is competing with dont have the same post season resume becuase they didnt have the opportunity because of the team they played for.

The 3000 hits is no bench mark. IMO Derek Jeter is a first-ballot hall of famer if he retired today even without the 3000 hits. Sure playing for the Yankees has given him alot of hype and respect but does not take away from the numbers the guy has put up.

If you take away being a Yankee, what makes Jeter better than Dale Murphy or Bert Blyleven if he doesnt reach HOF benchmarks?

If it wasnt for Derek Jeter the Yankees would not have those 5 titles and that is what guarantees him a Hall of Fame spot IMO.

I agree with Scott Dau on this.

If Jeter is so valuable, then why are the Yankees spending another 180 million on salary? Why is that even necessary?

[Scottdau]

I would say if they didn't have Tino and Paul they would not have some rings. The more I think about until Jeter gets 3,000 hits he is not a lock. But when you play for the Yankees and are good you do get some advantages.

[NYJets]

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1. Bert Blyleven was a pitcher and Dale Murphy was a completely different player. There is no point in comparing them to Jeter.

2. Just because there are guys who should be in the hall of fame and aren't, and guys who are in the hall of fame that shouldn't be, does not mean they should continue to make mistakes.

If Jeter is so valuable, then why are the Yankees spending another 180 million on salary? Why is that even necessary?

Do you know what baseball is?

[DrJones]

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I would say if they didn't have Tino and Paul they would not have some rings. The more I think about until Jeter gets 3,000 hits he is not a lock. But when you play for the Yankees and are good you do get some advantages.

You do understand that a player's position matters a great deal when it comes to his value, right? Even taking away his postseason success or sketchy Gold Gloves or "Yankee mystique", Jeter's one of the top 5 offensive shortstops ever. With his numbers, he's a first-ballot HOF'er even if he spent his career in Kansas City and never made the playoffs.

[Scottdau]

You do understand that a player's position matters a great deal when it comes to his value, right? Even taking away his postseason success or sketchy Gold Gloves or "Yankee mystique", Jeter's one of the top 5 offensive shortstops ever. With his numbers, he's a first-ballot HOF'er even if he spent his career in Kansas City and never made the playoffs.

True. That is why Kent is going to make it. But you are not a lock in unless you get 3,000 hits 500 HR. Or about ten gold gloves.

[RonnieG]

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You do understand that a player's position matters a great deal when it comes to his value, right? Even taking away his postseason success or sketchy Gold Gloves or "Yankee mystique", Jeter's one of the top 5 offensive shortstops ever. With his numbers, he's a first-ballot HOF'er even if he spent his career in Kansas City and never made the playoffs.

Since there was a greater emphasis put on defense from SSs in prior eras, thats an apples and oranges comparison. Its debatable that he would have even been a SS in prior eras. The need to get offense from every position on the field is kind of a bi-product of the steroid era.

[Rambo1986]

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Wow, all I did was post that the Diamondbacks were interested and this big debate happens. LOL