Derek Jeter

[rsox]

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Wow, all I did was post that the Diamondbacks were interested and this big debate happens. LOL

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[DirrtySouth78]

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Wow, all I did was post that the Diamondbacks were interested and this big debate happens. LOL

AH the benefits of the internet age. You say one meaningless thing and all of a sudden someone has to change the point of that saying and now you end up having a huge debate with people picking sides. And people form both sides of the argument refuse to even look at the other side of things and before u know it, WHAM huge debate that turns ugly. I dunno if its funny or sad, but always makes me laugh

[bigfnjoe96]

You do understand that a player's position matters a great deal when it comes to his value, right? Even taking away his postseason success or sketchy Gold Gloves or "Yankee mystique", Jeter's one of the top 5 offensive shortstops ever. With his numbers, he's a first-ballot HOF'er even if he spent his career in Kansas City and never made the playoffs.

I totally agree with ya Dr. Jones. In the last decade the only player with more hits than Jeter is Ichiro. Him also playing for 1 team possibly for his entire career helps also


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[Trevytrev11]

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No way Jeter gets his 3,000th hit in anything else but pin stripes. They will definitely overpay for the production he gives him unless he finds the fountain of youth and can reverse the curve that just about every non-steroid using player follows. But, on the other side, he will keep fans in the stands, he is a hero to Yankee fans and the franchise would receive much more back-lash from letting him go, then they would for over paying him and realizing lower production. Even if he bats .240 and hits 8th, the Yankee's will still compete for a title next year.

We can play the "what-if" game all we want, but the bottom line is he will be judged on what actually did happen as a shortstop for the Yankees in the 90's and 00's. And because of that he his a no-doubt hall of famer. As over-hyped as he may have been by some, he has been one of the most consistant and solid players during his tenure. Hopefully his production doesn't suffer too much over the remainder of his next contract as it would be a shame to see his career average drop below .300 somewhere down the line.

[DrJones]

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Even if he bats .240 and hits 8th, the Yankee's will still compete for a title next year.

Ah, but what if Jeter bats .240 and hits leadoff? Does Girardi have the balls to move "the Captain" to the bottom of the order?

[Chef Matt]

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Ah, but what if Jeter bats .240 and hits leadoff? Does Girardi have the balls to move "the Captain" to the bottom of the order?

I'm sure he does. And will, if he has to shake things up.

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At least I hope so, if it comes down to it

[lonewolf371]

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I totally agree with ya Dr. Jones. In the last decade the only player with more hits than Jeter is Ichiro. Him also playing for 1 team possibly for his entire career helps also


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The problem is he had about the same numbers as Scutaro last year and Scutaro is making about $6 million.

[ryan36]

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I wouldn't pay him anything close to what he was making last year. You can say "he has value to the Yankees" all you want. Screw that. If I'm the Yankees why is he worth 18 mil to me and 8 mil to someone else? Nah. I really would let him walk if they could get another FA SS.

[Speedy]

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Jeter's camp knows the Yankees will not do that, given they pride themselves on being a classy organization. #2 has all of the leverage.

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...or as Seinfeld says, he's got all the hand in the relationship.

[Trevytrev11]

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Jeter's camp knows the Yankees will not do that, given they pride themselves on being a classy organization. #2 has all of the leverage.

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...or as Seinfeld says, he's got all the hand in the relationship.

I agree to a certain extent. Both sides will have to give some. There is no way he makes anything close to the $20+ million he made over the past 5 years....maybe $10M or $12M...it won't be $6M.

However if he wanted to further cement himself as Mr. Yankee, he could take a huge cut to allow the team to target several of the key players out there....but every player could do this and none of them do.

The obvious thing he has going against him is last year. The worst year of his career. He's 36 and barring any injury that we never heard about, he declined sharply, hitting 40+ points below his career average, getting on base 40+ points belowe his career average and slugging about 70 points below his current average. He also wasn't Captain Clutch in the playoffs, hitting only .250 and strking out 10 times in 9 games. He won a gold glove, but all stats point to the fact that last year, he was one of the worst defenders at his position.

It will be hard to argue that last year was an anomoly given his age and the fact that very few players can play at a high level on a daily basis in their late 30's, especially at a demanding position like SS.

I think Yankee fans understand at least a portion of this and realize that he likely won't be performing like the Jeter of the early 00's in the early 10's.

The best deal for the Yankee's might be to offer him $8-$10 with a few million extra in incentives if he reaches certain standards.

[DrJones]

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The best deal for the Yankee's might be to offer him $8-$10 with a few million extra in incentives if he reaches certain standards.

Jeter's ego isn't going to accept anything close to that, and I really don't think the Yankees want to incur a fan/media firestorm by pinching a few pennies. I'll be stunned if Jeter signs for anything less than 3/45, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's something like 4/64.

[rsox]

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The problem is he had about the same numbers as Scutaro last year and Scutaro is making about $6 million.

The difference is Scutaro is not an icon. Scutaro is not the face of the franchise or as big a part of the franchise brand as any one player could be. Scutaro is also not looking to become the first player in the history of a storied franchise that has had some of the greatest players ever to play the game wear it's uniform reach the 3000 hit plateau.

[Keirik]

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A lot of the argument for Jeter is based on stuff he has done in the postseason. What if he had played in KC his whole career and never made it to the postseason?

Is he still good enough to be a HOFer?

i really don't think it has one ioda to do with his postseason statistics. He's a career .314 hitter who will end his career with around 3500 hits as a shortstop. That has nothing to do with the postseason. If he put up the same statistics on a last place team he's still a lock for the HOF.

[lonewolf371]

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The difference is Scutaro is not an icon. Scutaro is not the face of the franchise or as big a part of the franchise brand as any one player could be. Scutaro is also not looking to become the first player in the history of a storied franchise that has had some of the greatest players ever to play the game wear it's uniform reach the 3000 hit plateau.

That doesn't justify getting $15 million over $6 million when the on-field performance is about the same.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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That doesn't justify getting $15 million over $6 million when the on-field performance is about the same.

I agree with that aspect.

But also, he draws fans, regardless. Yankees have a hard enough time selling out with the prices in the stratosphere, now imagine if they do not give him what he wants, and he walks?

You thing the seats behind the home plate are empty now on TV...