The Barry Bonds Trial

[travis72]

Re: The Barry Bonds Trial

Not really. This all stems from BALCO. Clemens will be tried for lying to congress. There will be a whole different prosecutor handling this. From what I've read the Bonds case prosecution dropped the ball numerous times.



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I have not been paying a whole lot of attention to it but it did sound like the prosecution kind of drop the ball.

[wwharton]

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Thats kind of what i'm thinking. I was hoping they would find him guilty on all accounts. Clemens might be feeling a little better about his coming up because if you can not find Bonds 100% guilty on all accounts then you really can't find Clemens at fault either.

They had nothing on Bonds. You're not going to convict him for getting a big head and acne on his back. There are already very willing witnesses to testify against Clemens and we don't even know what else they have at this point. Bonds has also been careful with his words where Clemens has made strong stands that are much easier to prove false. Personally I think Roger is in trouble.

[travis72]

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They had nothing on Bonds. You're not going to convict him for getting a big head and acne on his back. There are already very willing witnesses to testify against Clemens and we don't even know what else they have at this point. Bonds has also been careful with his words where Clemens has made strong stands that are much easier to prove false. Personally I think Roger is in trouble.

I doubt either will end up doing time. It don't take MR Obvious to figure out Bonds was juicing. While I think prsecution drop the ball on the Bonds case they might be much carefuller the next time. The only thing is Clemens has never actually tested positive for Roids where as Bonds did. Or I thought Bonds name was on the list of players that tested positive back when Giambi,Pettite,Ortiz,etc was named in the Mitchell report.

[wwharton]

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I doubt either will end up doing time. It don't take MR Obvious to figure out Bonds was juicing. While I think prsecution drop the ball on the Bonds case they might be much carefuller the next time. The only thing is Clemens has never actually tested positive for Roids where as Bonds did. Or I thought Bonds name was on the list of players that tested positive back when Giambi,Pettite,Ortiz,etc was named in the Mitchell report.

Neither are on trial for using steroids so that doesn't matter.

[travis72]

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Neither are on trial for using steroids so that doesn't matter.

No they are on trial for lying about using steroids. Did I say they were on trial for the use of steriods? if that was they case would there be a hell of a lot of guys facing trial as well. I was just stating that its obvious that Bonds was juicing is all. Do you not think he was? Maybe my post was not worded correctly the trial. I just thought it was common knowledge both of these guys were on trial for lying about the use.

[Cubfan]

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I hope their is no retrial on Barry Bonds this whole thing was nothing but a complete waste of time and our tax money.

[wwharton]

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No they are on trial for lying about using steroids. Did I say they were on trial for the use of steriods? if that was they case would there be a hell of a lot of guys facing trial as well. I was just stating that its obvious that Bonds was juicing is all. Do you not think he was? Maybe my post was not worded correctly the trial. I just thought it was common knowledge both of these guys were on trial for lying about the use.

I bring it up because I think it's important to note that they're on trial for lying... doesn't matter what they lied about. They'd be on trial if they lied about cheating on their wives or going to a strip club.

So basically it doesn't matter if Bonds tested positive for roids or not. If they were on trial for using, then the positive test would be significant, and it'd be easier to prove guilt for Bonds than Clemens (and saying the prosecutor dropped the ball would also be accurate). Since the issue is with lying it's much harder to prove without proper evidence... there is a lot more to support that claim against Clemens than against Bonds. The prosecution didn't have anything to work with.

[ImTellinTim]

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I hope their is no retrial on Barry Bonds this whole thing was nothing but a complete waste of time and our tax money.

This argument is getting a little old. They would have been working on some other case instead of the Bonds case. There is no net increase to the expenditures of the department simply because of this case. It might have delayed other more significant cases from going to trial, but it's not like they're going over budget because of the Barry Bonds case.

The amount of money spent on this case is such a miniscule amount of the budget that it doesn't matter. Again, there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to wasteful government spending.

[N51_rob]

This argument is getting a little old. They would have been working on some other case instead of the Bonds case. There is no net increase to the expenditures of the department simply because of this case. It might have delayed other more significant cases from going to trial, but it's not like they're going over budget because of the Barry Bonds case.

The amount of money spent on this case is such a miniscule amount of the budget that it doesn't matter. Again, there are bigger fish to fry when it comes to wasteful government spending.

I think it's more of a matter of what was the point of taking him to trial. This all stems from the BALCO investigation. Victor Conte had been convicted, jailed and released before this thing had even gone to trial. Every major player in BALCO had been convicted already. So again what was the point of this.


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[ImTellinTim]

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I think it's more of a matter of what was the point of taking him to trial. This all stems from the BALCO investigation. Victor Conte had been convicted, jailed and released before this thing had even gone to trial. Every major player in BALCO had been convicted already. So again what was the point of this.


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The Feds don't let things drop. Especially when they think you're making them look like fools. They were trying to make an example out of Bonds and it backfired.

[wwharton]

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I think it's more of a matter of what was the point of taking him to trial. This all stems from the BALCO investigation. Victor Conte had been convicted, jailed and released before this thing had even gone to trial. Every major player in BALCO had been convicted already. So again what was the point of this.


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Unfortunately, it would've been a much bigger deal if a star athlete was allowed to lie to the grand jury when us regular folks can't. It was their way of saying NOBODY lies to the grand jury.

[N51_rob]

I suppose you are right. But looking at thier "evidence" someone had to know how flimsy thier case was. Prosecutors don't have to take a case to trial. Its seems like this was a shaky case to try with no concrete evidence. Once Greg Anderson clamed up thier witness' were all suspect with motive to be less than honest on the stand.

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[wwharton]

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I suppose you are right. But looking at thier "evidence" someone had to know how flimsy thier case was. Prosecutors don't have to take a case to trial. Its seems like this was a shaky case to try with no concrete evidence. Once Greg Anderson clamed up thier witness' were all suspect with motive to be less than honest on the stand.

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They may have been banking on Anderson and it was too late to back out when he decided to just go BACK to jail (really is amazing).

[EnigmaNemesis]

They may have been banking on Anderson and it was too late to back out when he decided to just go BACK to jail (really is amazing).

I am sure he is well "taken care of". Not amazing when you look at it that way.

[wwharton]

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I am sure he is well "taken care of". Not amazing when you look at it that way.

It still is if you ask me. He'd still be acting on good faith AND still throwing away years of his life.