The Barry Bonds Trial

[Scottdau]

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Honestly though, neither was Bonds when he was supposed to be juicing. That's the problem... nobody cared about players taking roids back when all these guys were said to have been dirty. That's why I can't even call them cheaters. Guys that get caught today are cheaters. Back then? They were taking advantage of what was available and allowed.

And there will be something that's considered ok today that will be banned years from now. In 2021, should we go back to 2011 and find out who was doing it back then so we can burn them at the stake and campaign against them?

Guess I got on a soap box there... sorry OSU.

Yeah I agree with this. But if he said he would cut off her head and leave her in a ditch that is just not right. I hope they throw the book at him.

[OSUFan_88]

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Honestly though, neither was Bonds when he was supposed to be juicing. That's the problem... nobody cared about players taking roids back when all these guys were said to have been dirty. That's why I can't even call them cheaters. Guys that get caught today are cheaters. Back then? They were taking advantage of what was available and allowed.

And there will be something that's considered ok today that will be banned years from now. In 2021, should we go back to 2011 and find out who was doing it back then so we can burn them at the stake and campaign against them?

Guess I got on a soap box there... sorry OSU.

Drug testing or no drug testing, the point still stands.

I don't care how good of a friend Anderson was to Bonds, Bonds knew exactly what he was taking unless he's totally clueless. And from what I've heard and seen from Bonds, he's anything but totally clueless.

[Blzer]

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Er....Didn't he start taking roids around 2000-2001?

I meant to say "after." Saying "before" would not have helped prove my point.

By the way guys, steroids aren't some "magic pill" that bulk you up overnight. You still have to work to get that muscle mass, it must be a whole lot easier though. I don't remember seeing Ryan Franklin become some huge juggernaut.

[ImTellinTim]

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I meant to say "after." Saying "before" would not have helped prove my point.

By the way guys, steroids aren't some "magic pill" that bulk you up overnight. You still have to work to get that muscle mass, it must be a whole lot easier though. I don't remember seeing Ryan Franklin become some huge juggernaut.

This trial isn't about steroids. We all know who took them. It was prevalent during that time. This is about the fact that Bonds continues to lie about it.

[Blzer]

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This trial isn't about steroids. We all know who took them. It was prevalent during that time. This is about the fact that Bonds continues to lie about it.

This isn't about that "fact" unless he is proven guilty. Right now it is only about the allegation. And you would have to trace those posts back to the one I mentioned about him trusting Anderson with what he was providing him to understand the relevance of the time drug testing started in baseball.

[12]

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Here's some random thoughts from me:

Barry Bonds absolutely knew that he was taking steroids. I've yet to find anyone who isn't a Bonds' fan or apologist suggest otherwise. The argument has been said before, but these professional athletes are paid millions upon millions of dollars based on what their body can do. You're trying to tell me, with a straight face, that a world-class athlete does not know that he is taking steroids? You're telling me that he doesn't see or feel the side effects and think something is "off?"

I'm not buying that. Not now, not ever.

The guy continues to lie about it because his ego is immeasurable to him, and he thinks he's invincible. Hell, maybe he really believes that he didn't knowingly take steroids. What's the saying? Tell yourself a lie enough times and it becomes your truth. I can see that applying here.

I think it speaks volumes about our society when this is what our federal government spends their time and resources on. To me, the 1990's and early-to-mid 2000's was a very dark time for baseball and that's how I will always see it. It sucks, but I've accepted it. I think that the fact that Bonds is being tried right now is laughable. No, I do not think he's above the law, but I also think that our country has a lot more problems than whether Barry Bonds lied to a jury. Bonds' achievements and standing as one of the greats will forever be tarnished and I believe that's enough. People ask me if I feel he should go unpunished, but how can a prosecution team ever *prove* that the man is lying? They can't. He won't be punished. He won't do prison time. It's all a smear campaign, and that is why this is such a tragic waste of time, money and resources. Bonds will suffer the consequences for his actions in due time, but the guy will not serve a term. It's time to accept reality here.

Whether those views are logical or make sense, I don't care. It's how I feel about the whole thing. It's a joke, and it reminds me of something that should be talked about in a trash mag or TMZ. Let's move on from the steroids era and embrace the game that we all grew up loving for what it is - pure. At least, that's what I hope it can be again, and with the MLB enforcing stricter drug testing, I think it can reach that point again.

[dickey1331]

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I disagree. I dont think it speaks volumes about our society. It's what you get when you lie to the Federal government. It's against the law and I would assume most people would get in trouble for lying under oath.

[OSUFan_88]

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This isn't about that "fact" unless he is proven guilty.

So, what you are saying is that Barry Bonds was stunned by the fact that after using the clear for a few months, he didn't notice that he was suddenly feeling more refreshed and was hitting better? He didn't notice his massive improvement in his physique? Instead, he just kept taking Roids...and never questioned why he was getting this big, this refreshed, and was developing historical power?

And Bonds took steroids. He admitted to as much, however he said he didn't "knowingly" do it...ever.

Yeah...okay.

[Blzer]

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No, I was simply saying if it was a fact he'd already be declared guilty.

[OSUFan_88]

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No, I was simply saying if it was a fact he'd already be declared guilty.

Not in the court of law, no.

To think he would not notice the improvements that were created after starting this new supplement...and never asked Anderson what it was or never knew what it really was is to assume that Bonds is the most unobservant person in the history of the world.

[Blzer]

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Not in the court of law, no.

To think he would not notice the improvements that were created after starting this new supplement...and never asked Anderson what it was or never knew what it really was is to assume that Bonds is the most unobservant person in the history of the world.

At least I know you're not hypocritical because you're not a woman.

I know what you're saying, I just defend him because I hope the best for him. Like someone else said here, the bigger crime is that he took steroids; why we're so adamant on spending so much money to prosecute this guy after eight years is insanity. There are many other things we should focus our efforts on lol.

[OSUFan_88]

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At least I know you're not hypocritical because you're not a woman.

I know what you're saying, I just defend him because I hope the best for him. Like someone else said here, the bigger crime is that he took steroids; why we're so adamant on spending so much money to prosecute this guy after eight years is insanity. There are many other things we should focus our efforts on lol.

Because if he lied, that is a federal crime. Perjury to a Grand Jury investigation is a felony.

In the grand scheme of sports? Yeah, means nothing.

[wwharton]

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Yeah I agree with this. But if he said he would cut off her head and leave her in a ditch that is just not right. I hope they throw the book at him.

There are many things that holier than thou athletes say and do that aren't right. Bonds is an arrogant *** but people don't get locked up for that.

Drug testing or no drug testing, the point still stands.

I don't care how good of a friend Anderson was to Bonds, Bonds knew exactly what he was taking unless he's totally clueless. And from what I've heard and seen from Bonds, he's anything but totally clueless.

The lack of drug testing speak on the state of the league. This also ties into "he knew what he was taking". Today, if someone is taking "supplements" it's no big deal and encouraged. Before the kid died, taking HGH fell in this same category. During the time Bonds is said to have been taking roids, pretty much anything was fair game. So unless he thought Anderson was going to give him something that might kill him, it's very reasonable to believe he didn't know what he was taking.

And I would think that any "supplement" is intended to help you on the field/in the weight room/recover quicker so I don't really see the argument that he had to notice the changes in his body. Whatever he may have thought he was taken was intended to help with the changes no matter what it was.

[ZB9]

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this witch hunt is ridiculous

you would think the govt would find something else to waste taxpayers money on....but I digress

[OSUFan_88]

this witch hunt is ridiculous

you would think the govt would find something else to waste taxpayers money on....but I digress

Uh...witch hunt?

Oooooookay! I won't get into the govt thing but...I totally disagree with you. Lying to a grand jury is a very big deal.