The Hot Stove League Thread

**Dog** · 11-08-2011, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by philliesfan136

RAJ terribly overpays Madson: 4 years, $44 mil. with a 5th year vesting option for $13 mil.

Highest average annual value for any reliever besides Mo.

Overpay by what standards? He had Boras as his agent, and has established himself as one of the best closers in baseball. You think the Yankees or any other team would offer him less?

**philliesfan136** · 11-08-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by JNes12

Overpay by what standards? He had Boras as his agent, and has established himself as one of the best closers in baseball. You think the Yankees or any other team would offer him less?

$11 million a year for a 30-year old guy who has "established himself as one of the best closers in baseball" by having one really good season? Sorry, but I'd rather go with someone else on a lesser deal to pave the way for Aumont, De Fratus, Schwimer, etc. or just go with Bastardo so I could spend money elsewhere. And I don't know about you, but if I were RAJ I wouldn't want to have to pay a 33-year old $11 million a few years from now.

**daflyboys** · 11-09-2011, 12:19 AM

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Madson was only outdone SV% wise by Valverde and Axford this past year with those having over 30 attempts. He also had more Hi Level attempts as compared to Axford. And if the Phils would have produced more during lull times, he may have had more opportunities.

Aumont, De Fratus, Schwimer are not near ready and the Phils are not in a re-building or advancing stage.... they're still in a "win now" mode.

**philliesfan136** · 11-09-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by daflyboys

Madson was only outdone SV% wise by Valverde and Axford this past year with those having over 30 attempts. He also had more Hi Level attempts as compared to Axford. And if the Phils would have produced more during lull times, he may have had more opportunities.

Aumont, De Fratus, Schwimer are not near ready and the Phils are not in a re-building or advancing stage.... they're still in a "win now" mode.

Again, I don't think he should get that much money no matter how good his season was.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to come back, just not at that high of a cost. I just don't see why he should get $44 million when he's gonna be in his mid-thirties in a few years.

**SPTO** · 11-09-2011, 12:57 AM

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Reports have surfaced that the Jays are open to signing one of the big name free agent closers, Joe Nathan or swinging a deal with the A's for Bailey.

I just hope they don't go cheap and get Nathan and I don't wanna have to suddenly cheer for Papelbon.

**BunnyHardaway** · 11-09-2011, 01:10 AM

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Just listened to Duquette's presser...absolutely disgusting that they're trying to make us believe that this is a small market team. Do they think we're all stupid? They could easily support a payroll around $100 million and have gotten as high as $90 million in recent years. Typical Angelos propaganda.

**SPTO** · 11-09-2011, 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by JJLinn

Just listened to Duquette's presser...absolutely disgusting that they're trying to make us believe that this is a small market team. Do they think we're all stupid? They could easily support a payroll around $100 million and have gotten as high as $90 million in recent years. Typical Angelos propaganda.

Baltimore/Maryland and small market does NOT compute.

Good gawd Baltimore deserves better than this! I'm glad that Cal Ripken's kept a very low profile when it comes to the team these days. I heard a wacky rumor that he should become team president and pick his own GM.

**BunnyHardaway** · 11-09-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by SPTO

Baltimore/Maryland and small market does NOT compute.

Good gawd Baltimore deserves better than this! I'm glad that Cal Ripken's kept a very low profile when it comes to the team these days. I heard a wacky rumor that he should become team president and pick his own GM.

Not only is Baltimore a large market, but Angelos OWNS HIS OWN FREAKING TELEVISION NETWORK. It's shared with the Nationals, but they only have a 10% stake in it compared to the Orioles' 90%. Their revenue is estimated at $158.7 million, yet you're telling me this is a small market team? Give me a break. It's amazing that he hangs onto the excuse that their ability to spend is hampered by the Nationals, yet the Nationals themselves have shown the willingness to sign expensive free agents and do what it takes to win...mind you, their MASN deal is terrible and nets them very little, especially compared to what Angelos and the Orioles get. I guess the Baltimore market is really killing them.

**DrJones** · 11-09-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by SPTO

Reports have surfaced that the Jays are open to signing one of the big name free agent closers, Joe Nathan or swinging a deal with the A's for Bailey.

I just hope they don't go cheap and get Nathan and I don't wanna have to suddenly cheer for Papelbon.

I don't like the idea of spending big money on a closer unless a.) his name is Mariano Rivera, and/or b.) that's the very last piece in a championship puzzle. Nathan's gimpy. Papelbon will easily cost 4/50 as well as a first-rounder. No way would I trust Bell in the AL East. Out of the names mentioned, I'd target Bailey if the price was reasonable.

**Dog** · 11-09-2011, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by philliesfan136

$11 million a year for a 30-year old guy who has "established himself as one of the best closers in baseball" by having one really good season? Sorry, but I'd rather go with someone else on a lesser deal to pave the way for Aumont, De Fratus, Schwimer, etc. or just go with Bastardo so I could spend money elsewhere. And I don't know about you, but if I were RAJ I wouldn't want to have to pay a 33-year old $11 million a few years from now.

One good season? Where were you since 2008?

The Madson deal is fine

Sent from Dog World

**philliesfan136** · 11-09-2011, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by DrJones

I don't like the idea of spending big money on a closer unless a.) his name is Mariano Rivera, and/or b.) that's the very last piece in a championship puzzle.

Exactly the same with Madson.

Originally posted by JNes12

One good season? Where were you since 2008?

The Madson deal is fine

Sent from Dog World

One elite season. The rest were good.

But I just don't think a solid job for three years, then a really good season is deserving of that much money, especially for his age.

But you're entitled to your own opinion.

**snepp** · 11-09-2011, 11:20 AM

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Madson's 2010 and 2011 were basically identical. So if he was elite this year, he was elite last year as well.

**SPTO** · 11-09-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by DrJones

I don't like the idea of spending big money on a closer unless a.) his name is Mariano Rivera, and/or b.) that's the very last piece in a championship puzzle. Nathan's gimpy. Papelbon will easily cost 4/50 as well as a first-rounder. No way would I trust Bell in the AL East. Out of the names mentioned, I'd target Bailey if the price was reasonable.

I basically agree though I don't want the Jays the just pick up some scraps like they did last year. Get someone with some upside is what I say. Bailey would be the best fit. It's kinda strange how much the Jays have done business with Oakland going back to when JP Ricciardi took over.

**BleacherBum2310** · 11-09-2011, 01:48 PM

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Well it took a turn an expected turn. According to Jayson Stark

It's highly unlikely that Phillies and Madson will agree to a new contract.

**philliesfan136** · 11-09-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by BleacherBum2310

Well it took a turn an expected turn. According to Jayson Stark

It's highly unlikely that Phillies and Madson will agree to a new contract.

I've read that they may wait until the CBA is done.

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