Braun tests positive for PEDs.

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

As opposed to saying what? "I'm guilty but maybe I'll get off on a technicality. Fingers crossed!"

Um, I doubt he knew the game plan of the lawyer team when this was all announced. I'm sure Braun didn't know the defense of his lawyer team when ESPN busted the story. When ESPN first busted the story, he said he was innocent right away.

A few weeks later, he hired the lawyer.

Actually, it's 11 mountain time and noon central for the press conference.

I've stood by Braun when he declared his innocence, I'm not naive to think he could have roided up or was tainted by some medication he was prescribed or whatever how it happened, anything is possible, but I'm not wavering on defending him and believing his innocence.

[kayfngee]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Um, I doubt he knew the game plan of the lawyer team when this was all announced. I'm sure Braun didn't know the defense of his lawyer team when ESPN busted the story. When ESPN first busted the story, he said he was innocent right away.

A few weeks later, he hired the lawyer.

Actually, it's 11 mountain time and noon central for the press conference.

I've stood by Braun when he declared his innocence, I'm not naive to think he could have roided up or was tainted by some medication he was prescribed or whatever how it happened, anything is possible, but I'm not wavering on defending him and believing his innocence.

You should as a Brewers fan. But he still failed the test and got off because the person collecting the sample messed up in storing the sample.

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

You should as a Brewers fan. But he still failed the test and got off because the person collecting the sample messed up in storing the sample.

Of course, but none of us knows the whole story, yet, either.

Ah, Braun offered to give his own DNA to prove the urine sample wasn't his and MLB declined from ESPN's legal expert.

[Mo]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Seriously, how are fans buying this?

He's basically saying that MLB was out to get their MVP. And or some random Fed Ex employee somehow guessed right and knew it was Ryan's day to take a drug test and tampered with the sample.

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Seriously, how are fans buying this?

He's basically saying that MLB was out to get their MVP. And or some random Fed Ex employee somehow guessed right and knew it was Ryan's day to take a drug test and tampered with the sample.

Reasonable doubt, that is all that it takes.

There were Chemist and Bio-Chemist they interviewed and they said if someone was motivated to tamper the sample, they could.

That is reasonable doubt.

Kruk said the sample wasn't put in the fridge, it was out on a desk that time period. Anything could have happened to it.

Braun didn't say it was the FedEx employee, it was the son of someone who usually takes the test. FedEx had nothing to do with the sample. It stayed in someone's home for 44-48hrs before being shipped to FedEx. There were 5 FedEx places open till 9:00pm.

Very careless.

[DamnYanks2]

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Caught news of this last night, and it brought a smile to my face. Last thing the MLB needs is another face of baseball involved with roids. I hope he has another career year now.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Reasonable doubt, that is all that it takes.

There were Chemist and Bio-Chemist they interviewed and they said if someone was motivated to tamper the sample, they could.

That is reasonable doubt.

Kruk said the sample wasn't put in the fridge, it was out on a desk that time period. Anything could have happened to it.

Braun didn't say it was the FedEx employee, it was the son of someone who usually takes the test. FedEx had nothing to do with the sample. It stayed in someone's home for 44-48hrs before being shipped to FedEx. There were 5 FedEx places open till 9:00pm.

Very careless.

This isn't a court of law. Burden of proof is on the defense here. And, to me, their defense is flimsy at best. I'm sure that guy just had a micropipet of synthetic testosterone waiting around to drip into samples he stored according to his training. Right. I don't know what happened, but you won't find me giving an athlete the benefit of the doubt in these situations. Time and time again, as a group, they've shown that you simply can't.

[Bellsprout]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Can you imagine someone just dropping by their house like "Hey, what's that on the counter?" "Oh, it's a cup of Ryan Braun's urine." "Really? Huh. That's weird. Wanna go see a movie now?"

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Can you imagine someone just dropping by their house like "Hey, what's that on the counter?" "Oh, it's a cup of Ryan Braun's urine." "Really? Huh. That's weird. Wanna go see a movie now?"

Guy's friend: "Ryan Braun, hm....? That bastard cost me my playoff matchup in my head-to-head fantasy league. Let me dip into my stash of T - I'll show him! *evil laugh*"

[av7]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Reasonable doubt, that is all that it takes.

There were Chemist and Bio-Chemist they interviewed and they said if someone was motivated to tamper the sample, they could.

That is reasonable doubt.

Kruk said the sample wasn't put in the fridge, it was out on a desk that time period. Anything could have happened to it.

Braun didn't say it was the FedEx employee, it was the son of someone who usually takes the test. FedEx had nothing to do with the sample. It stayed in someone's home for 44-48hrs before being shipped to FedEx. There were 5 FedEx places open till 9:00pm.

Very careless.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/23/was-there-really-a-violation-of-chain-of-custody-protocol-in-the-ryan-braun-ped-case/

Braun’s argument during his January appeal in New York City was that the courier who collected his urine made a number of against-protocol moves after leaving the testing area. But were mistakes really made?

The courier did not immediately head to a FedEx Office after collecting Braun’s sample following an early-October game because it was late on a Saturday night and he figured the store would be closed. Braun (or, rather, his lawyers) argued in January that the courier’s action was against policy, but the MLB-MLBPA joint drug agreement states that “specimens cannot be placed in a FedEx Drop Box” and the five FedEx Office locations closest to Miller Park are all closed before 9 p.m. on Saturdays. In fact, the location closest to Miller Park — just 3.28 miles away — isn’t open at all on Saturdays.

Also, none of the FedEx Office locations in the Milwaukee area ship items out on Sundays. So instead of giving the sealed cup of urine to a FedEx Office employee at some point Sunday and hoping for proper handling, the courier followed the terms of the MLB-MLBPA joint drug agreement (see pages 37-39) by storing Braun’s urine sample in a secure refrigerator at his residence until Monday morning, when FedEx could finally get the shipment to the appropriate testing lab in Montreal.

The MLB-MLBPA joint drug agreement fully allows for temporary storage by couriers — people who are trained and paid to handle drug test samples, and do so as a profession — as long as the specimen can be “appropriately safeguarded,” kept in a “cool and secure location,” with “chain of custody intact.” A refrigerator in the private residence of a trained doping officer would seem to fit those criteria.

So if the courier is allowed to temporarily store samples on his own, and he did so in his own residence, where exactly is the chain of custody issue? And why did Das rule to have the suspension overturned?

Also, the seal wasn't broke. And I'm sure theres more to it than anyone outside of the MLB and Braun's camp will ever learn about.

[Bellsprout]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

If this is true, I'm officially really confused.

Mark Fainaru-Wada tells <s>@</s>620wtmj <s>@</s>JohnMercure the suspicion of tampering did not come up during <s>#</s>Braun's appeal hearing.

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...raun-ped-case/



Also, the seal wasn't broke. And I'm sure theres more to it than anyone outside of the MLB and Braun's camp will ever learn about.

Hard to know who you believe.

ESPN's legal analyst is stating that the sample was out on the guys desk for two days, not refrigerated.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7611600/2012-spring-training-ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-says-test-system-failed

But multiple sources said the sample was not shipped for testing as soon as possible, as required by the drug testing policy, and instead was kept in a cool place in the sample collector's home. Sources told Munson that the collector left Braun's sample on a desk in a Tupperware container and left it there for two days.

Sources also told Munson that there was doubt over whose urine was actually being tested. Braun offered to take a DNA test to confirm whose urine was in the sample, but Major League Baseball declined. However, an MLB source told ESPN's Mike Golic that Braun's side backed off of the offer to take a DNA test.

[slickdtc]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

So basically drug testing is unreliable, whether through the actual process or the process of delivering it to the lab.

I give up.

[1Rose]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

So basically drug testing is unreliable, whether through the actual process or the process of delivering it to the lab.

I give up.

Right, and 20 times the natural amount of testosterone just happens to appear in sealed vials lol

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

This isn't a court of law. Burden of proof is on the defense here. And, to me, their defense is flimsy at best. I'm sure that guy just had a micropipet of synthetic testosterone waiting around to drip into samples he stored according to his training. Right. I don't know what happened, but you won't find me giving an athlete the benefit of the doubt in these situations. Time and time again, as a group, they've shown that you simply can't.

True, it's not a court of law, but how do you explain they were debating if it was actually Braun's urine and Braun offered his own DNA to prove it wasn't his.

MLB declined the DNA.

I don't know what happened, either, and maybe we will know at some point and maybe we won't.