Best Pitching Rotation Discussion

[brett the jet favre]

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You realize that you're taking untested minor league prospects and saying they'll be better than staff's with multiple proven aces?

Ok, yeah i realize that , but they all could have been called up this spring but they decided not to because of their age and they wanted a little more experience, but regarless half of the MLB dosent have that great of an Ace, im just saying if they hit their ceiling, it'll be over.

[brett the jet favre]

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Outside of Felix those guys are all prospects who havent done a thing yet. Did you just start following baseball yesterday?

Ugghh. I promised myself to stop arguing with ridiculous homers.

Im saying if they hit their ceiling, and from what i have seen from them they are looking very good.

[bkrich83]

Every team in the league can say if all their prospects hit their ceiling they'll be great.

[TCM]

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Uhh not really, its obvious the M's will have one of the best rotations in baseball by 2013 since you know, the King is a top 5 pitcher, and Walker being compared to Dwight Gooden, and Hultzen, and Paxton almost major league ready, and their all under 25... plus a line up with Ackley, Carp, Smoak, and Montero, how is that bad? We have a young *** team, with good player right on the edge on being called up to the majors..

They compared Edinson Volquez to Pedro Martinez, look how that turned out. All they are is prospects, unproved minor league players who could go either way, We'll never know until they play in the bigs.

[brett the jet favre]

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Well what about Detroit, Kansas City (who has more up-and-coming superstars than Seattle), Cleveland (they're is about 2 years away), New York, Boston, Tampa, Toronto? All those teams are built to be good for years to come here...and I can't imagine Seattle's offense being able to make up for the young guys in the rotation when they have an off day (which happens with talented young guys, see Rick Porcello and Max Scherzer.) And I don't see Texas and LA going away anytime soon, the core of those teams are a bunch of young, locked up talent (especially Texas.)

I think Seattle is going in the right direction, but WS by 2014...maybe in The Show, but in RL that's just as likely as the Cubs winning in 2013.

I understand what your saying, im just saying if the M's young star pitcher hit their ceiling then we will have a great young rotation, and we have a ton of young talent in our line up now, and a lot more on the way, thats all im saying.

[brett the jet favre]

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They compared Edinson Volquez to Pedro Martinez, look how that turned out. All they are is prospects, unproved minor league players who could go either way, We'll never know until they play in the bigs.

I know, i understand some will flop, but even if 2 of the 4 turned out great that'd still be a good young rotation. And if the M's turn it around, start winning more games, we'd get more money to play with in free agency.

[TheNumber35]

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Every team in the league can say if all their prospects hit their ceiling they'll be great.

If all of KC's prospects hit their ceiling they'd be 100x better than Seattle for the next 15-20 years...and thus by the logic presented in this thread, would win the next 6 WS. But this is baseball, people are more likely to not reach their ceiling than do it. There's just as many Justin Verlander's as there are Jeremy Bonderman's (just to use my Tigers as an example.) So I agree 100% BK.

[TCM]

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I understand what your saying, im just saying if the M's young star pitcher hit their ceiling then we will have a great young rotation, and we have a ton of young talent in our line up now, and a lot more on the way, thats all im saying.

but i gaurentee they will be in the play offs next year and by 2014 they win the World Series.

Did you forget what you wrote a page ago?

[brett the jet favre]

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If all of KC's prospects hit their ceiling they'd be 100x better than Seattle for the next 15-20 years...and thus by the logic presented in this thread, would win the next 6 WS. But this is baseball, people are more likely to not reach their ceiling than do it. There's just as many Justin Verlander's as there are Jeremy Bonderman's (just to use my Tigers as an example.) So I agree 100% BK.

Read my previous post, i said i do understand that, but with core of Felix, Ackley, Montero, Carp, and Smoak, and young talent on the way, even if most do bust, there will still be some that do make it, and with a few more key guys, and more money to play around in free agency, we will be a great young team.

[55]

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This almost makes me miss this kid that used to go on and on about how Michael Pineda would win multiple CY Young awards before 2015. Almost...

[brett the jet favre]

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Did you forget what you wrote a page ago?

No? All that made sense to me? Either way it's just my opinion and you guy can drag out the conversation as long as you want, but like i said, this is just my opinion, if you wanna hate on the M's go ahead, regardless of what you say it wont change my mind. I understand some player will flop, it's a given, but from what i've seen from our young pitchers, and from everything i read, good and bad, i have a real good belief atleased 2 of the big 4 will make it. And one already has.

[TheNumber35]

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Read my previous post, i said i do understand that, but with core of Felix, Ackley, Montero, Carp, and Smoak, and young talent on the way, even if most do bust, there will still be some that do make it, and with a few more key guys, and more money to play around in free agency, we will be a great young team.

And again, even those young guys in Ackley, Smoak, Montero, and Carp aren't sure things. I bet at least 1 of those 4 will burnout and not be as good as you think. My money is on Smoak or Carp, but it could be any of them. And Felix could very well go to a small market team with a history of winning...he said he didn't like big markets, never said he wouldn't leave Seattle for a better team.

[OSUFan_88]

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Read my previous post, i said i do understand that, but with core of Felix, Ackley, Montero, Carp, and Smoak, and young talent on the way, even if most do bust, there will still be some that do make it, and with a few more key guys, and more money to play around in free agency, we will be a great young team.

Yes, but you guaranteed a world title by 2014.

To be honest, I'd be surprised if the M's made it to the playoffs by 2014. Especially in a division with the Angels and Rangers.

[brett the jet favre]

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This almost makes me miss this kid that used to go on and on about how Michael Pineda would win multiple CY Young awards before 2015. Almost...

How do you know he wont though? You cant tell the future and say he wont be dominant? Players get hurt, what if some top aces got hurt or just didnt preform to their maximum ablility? It happens all the time, it's baseball.

[brett the jet favre]

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And again, even those young guys in Ackley, Smoak, Montero, and Carp aren't sure things. I bet at least 1 of those 4 will burnout and not be as good as you think. My money is on Smoak or Carp, but it could be any of them. And Felix could very well go to a small market team with a history of winning...he said he didn't like big markets, never said he wouldn't leave Seattle for a better team.

But he has said many time he loves Seattle and dosent want to leave, he just had an interview about 2 weeks ago, and Jack Z said he isnt ever going to trade him, so why couldnt Felix stay in Seattle for his career?