Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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Because in New York he could win 20 easy, just like Colon. If you're intending to say that Foulke isn't at least close to the calibur pitcher that Rivera is, then I'd have to laugh at you. Here goes.
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I'd take Rivera over any closer in baseball just because of what he does in the post season.Originally posted by Jay BilasThe question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConnComment
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Because in New York he could win 20 easy, just like Colon. If you're intending to say that Foulke isn't at least close to the calibur pitcher that Rivera is, then I'd have to laugh at you. Here goes.
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I'd take Rivera over any closer in baseball just because of what he does in the post season.Originally posted by Jay BilasThe question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConnComment
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Because in New York he could win 20 easy, just like Colon. If you're intending to say that Foulke isn't at least close to the calibur pitcher that Rivera is, then I'd have to laugh at you. Here goes.
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I'd take Rivera over any closer in baseball just because of what he does in the post season.Originally posted by Jay BilasThe question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConnComment
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Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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I think it's 'off-base' to try and compare pitching staffs that DON'T EVEN EXIST. What the heck is this thread all about, anyway? The supposed 'yankee hating Sox fan' that started it was complimenting Cashman on solidifying the Yankee bullpen, in light of the fact the strength of the starting pitching IS NOT A GIVEN. You skank fans need to realize it's okay to NOT be the best team on paper. I know it's difficult to not outweigh and outman your opponent in EVERY imaginable way, but please stop jumping down everyone's throat about it.
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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I think it's 'off-base' to try and compare pitching staffs that DON'T EVEN EXIST. What the heck is this thread all about, anyway? The supposed 'yankee hating Sox fan' that started it was complimenting Cashman on solidifying the Yankee bullpen, in light of the fact the strength of the starting pitching IS NOT A GIVEN. You skank fans need to realize it's okay to NOT be the best team on paper. I know it's difficult to not outweigh and outman your opponent in EVERY imaginable way, but please stop jumping down everyone's throat about it.
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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I think it's 'off-base' to try and compare pitching staffs that DON'T EVEN EXIST. What the heck is this thread all about, anyway? The supposed 'yankee hating Sox fan' that started it was complimenting Cashman on solidifying the Yankee bullpen, in light of the fact the strength of the starting pitching IS NOT A GIVEN. You skank fans need to realize it's okay to NOT be the best team on paper. I know it's difficult to not outweigh and outman your opponent in EVERY imaginable way, but please stop jumping down everyone's throat about it.
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I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!
Let's Go Or-ange!!! SU '09!
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I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!
Let's Go Or-ange!!! SU '09!
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I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!
Let's Go Or-ange!!! SU '09!
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.
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I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
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Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise:also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.
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RoSHiJETS10 said:
I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
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Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise:also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.
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RoSHiJETS10 said:
I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
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Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise:also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.
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RoSHiJETS10 said:
I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
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Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise:also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.
That's about all I've got to say on those matters.
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I guess luck was on the Yankees side today.....Comment
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Stoud said:
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dooch said:
Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.
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You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.
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RoSHiJETS10 said:
I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.
Mussina - Schilling
Pettite - Pedro
Vazquez - Lowe
Jose C. - Wakefeild
Leiber - ???
I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
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Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:
Curt Schilling
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise:also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.
That's about all I've got to say on those matters.
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I guess luck was on the Yankees side today.....Comment
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