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  • dooch
    Pro
    • Jul 2002
    • 609

    #46
    Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

    Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

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    • NYJets
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 18637

      #47
      Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      Stoud said:
      Because in New York he could win 20 easy, just like Colon. If you're intending to say that Foulke isn't at least close to the calibur pitcher that Rivera is, then I'd have to laugh at you. Here goes.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      I'd take Rivera over any closer in baseball just because of what he does in the post season.
      Originally posted by Jay Bilas
      The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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      • NYJets
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 18637

        #48
        Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        Stoud said:
        Because in New York he could win 20 easy, just like Colon. If you're intending to say that Foulke isn't at least close to the calibur pitcher that Rivera is, then I'd have to laugh at you. Here goes.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        I'd take Rivera over any closer in baseball just because of what he does in the post season.
        Originally posted by Jay Bilas
        The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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        • NYJets
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2002
          • 18637

          #49
          Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          Stoud said:
          Because in New York he could win 20 easy, just like Colon. If you're intending to say that Foulke isn't at least close to the calibur pitcher that Rivera is, then I'd have to laugh at you. Here goes.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          I'd take Rivera over any closer in baseball just because of what he does in the post season.
          Originally posted by Jay Bilas
          The question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConn

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          • dce1228
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1016

            #50
            Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            dooch said:
            Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            I think it's 'off-base' to try and compare pitching staffs that DON'T EVEN EXIST. What the heck is this thread all about, anyway? The supposed 'yankee hating Sox fan' that started it was complimenting Cashman on solidifying the Yankee bullpen, in light of the fact the strength of the starting pitching IS NOT A GIVEN. You skank fans need to realize it's okay to NOT be the best team on paper. I know it's difficult to not outweigh and outman your opponent in EVERY imaginable way, but please stop jumping down everyone's throat about it.

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            • dce1228
              MVP
              • Mar 2003
              • 1016

              #51
              Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              dooch said:
              Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              I think it's 'off-base' to try and compare pitching staffs that DON'T EVEN EXIST. What the heck is this thread all about, anyway? The supposed 'yankee hating Sox fan' that started it was complimenting Cashman on solidifying the Yankee bullpen, in light of the fact the strength of the starting pitching IS NOT A GIVEN. You skank fans need to realize it's okay to NOT be the best team on paper. I know it's difficult to not outweigh and outman your opponent in EVERY imaginable way, but please stop jumping down everyone's throat about it.

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              • dce1228
                MVP
                • Mar 2003
                • 1016

                #52
                Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                dooch said:
                Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                I think it's 'off-base' to try and compare pitching staffs that DON'T EVEN EXIST. What the heck is this thread all about, anyway? The supposed 'yankee hating Sox fan' that started it was complimenting Cashman on solidifying the Yankee bullpen, in light of the fact the strength of the starting pitching IS NOT A GIVEN. You skank fans need to realize it's okay to NOT be the best team on paper. I know it's difficult to not outweigh and outman your opponent in EVERY imaginable way, but please stop jumping down everyone's throat about it.

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                • RoSHiJETS10
                  D*n't St*p B*l**v*n'
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1192

                  #53
                  Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                  I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                  Mussina - Schilling
                  Pettite - Pedro
                  Vazquez - Lowe
                  Jose C. - Wakefeild
                  Leiber - ???
                  I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
                  J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!

                  Let's Go Or-ange!!! SU '09!

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                  • RoSHiJETS10
                    D*n't St*p B*l**v*n'
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1192

                    #54
                    Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                    I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                    Mussina - Schilling
                    Pettite - Pedro
                    Vazquez - Lowe
                    Jose C. - Wakefeild
                    Leiber - ???
                    I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
                    J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!

                    Let's Go Or-ange!!! SU '09!

                    Comment

                    • RoSHiJETS10
                      D*n't St*p B*l**v*n'
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1192

                      #55
                      Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                      I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                      Mussina - Schilling
                      Pettite - Pedro
                      Vazquez - Lowe
                      Jose C. - Wakefeild
                      Leiber - ???
                      I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.
                      J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!!!!!

                      Let's Go Or-ange!!! SU '09!

                      Comment

                      • Stoud
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 1259

                        #56
                        Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        dooch said:
                        Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        RoSHiJETS10 said:
                        I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                        Mussina - Schilling
                        Pettite - Pedro
                        Vazquez - Lowe
                        Jose C. - Wakefeild
                        Leiber - ???
                        I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.


                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:

                        Curt Schilling
                        Randy Johnson
                        Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
                        Kerry Wood
                        Mark Prior

                        anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise: also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.

                        That's about all I've got to say on those matters.

                        Comment

                        • Stoud
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1259

                          #57
                          Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          dooch said:
                          Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          RoSHiJETS10 said:
                          I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                          Mussina - Schilling
                          Pettite - Pedro
                          Vazquez - Lowe
                          Jose C. - Wakefeild
                          Leiber - ???
                          I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.


                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:

                          Curt Schilling
                          Randy Johnson
                          Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
                          Kerry Wood
                          Mark Prior

                          anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise: also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.

                          That's about all I've got to say on those matters.

                          Comment

                          • Stoud
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1259

                            #58
                            Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            dooch said:
                            Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            RoSHiJETS10 said:
                            I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                            Mussina - Schilling
                            Pettite - Pedro
                            Vazquez - Lowe
                            Jose C. - Wakefeild
                            Leiber - ???
                            I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.


                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:

                            Curt Schilling
                            Randy Johnson
                            Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
                            Kerry Wood
                            Mark Prior

                            anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise: also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.

                            That's about all I've got to say on those matters.

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                            • dooch
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 609

                              #59
                              Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Stoud said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              dooch said:
                              Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              RoSHiJETS10 said:
                              I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                              Mussina - Schilling
                              Pettite - Pedro
                              Vazquez - Lowe
                              Jose C. - Wakefeild
                              Leiber - ???
                              I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.


                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:

                              Curt Schilling
                              Randy Johnson
                              Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
                              Kerry Wood
                              Mark Prior

                              anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise: also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.

                              That's about all I've got to say on those matters.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I guess luck was on the Yankees side today.....

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                              • dooch
                                Pro
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 609

                                #60
                                Re: Yankees Pitching Strategy

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Stoud said:
                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                dooch said:
                                Foulke is a very good closer, but he ain't Rivera. To compare him to arguably the greatest closer of all time (definitely the greatest closer in postseason history) is a little off base. Plus, he's going back to Oakland anyways.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                You and others in this thread seem to forget who won the Cy Young last year with 55 saves, ERIC GAGNE. Anyone who wants to claim Mariano Rivera is a better closer, be my guest, but you won't be telling the truth.

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                RoSHiJETS10 said:
                                I dont think the Sox have that great a staff. Pedro can barely go 7 innings anymore without falling apart and that number will start to decrease as the season wears him down. Also while Schilling is very good, he is also very old and could potentially have arm trouble. If he doesnt though it was a fantastic pickup. Lowe is good, I'd take Vazquez first but he is good. and I doubt this Wakefeild crap will continue next year.

                                Mussina - Schilling
                                Pettite - Pedro
                                Vazquez - Lowe
                                Jose C. - Wakefeild
                                Leiber - ???
                                I also want the Yanks to get Wells back. assurance in case Leiber isnt healthy enough. Not for Anything, Contreras could hang in the pen a while if Colon wanted to play in pinstripes. Of course with all of that and Sheffeild they would have a payroll of about 300 million.


                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Good grief, where do you Yankees fans get off? No offense or anything, but it gets REALLY annoying. If yankees fans weren't so intolerable, I might keep the griping down to a minimum. Why can't you people just accept the truths that are staring you in the freaking face? Top 5 Starting Pitchers (active only) in Baseball:

                                Curt Schilling
                                Randy Johnson
                                Pedro Martinez (speak to the 2.22 ERA)
                                Kerry Wood
                                Mark Prior

                                anyone who would deny this is a complete and total idiot. Only after Prior do you get to even CONSIDER Mussina, and to say that he was equal to Schilling, regardless of Schilling's age, is absolutely ludicrous. Once mikey can maintain a lower ERA and get over 300 strikeouts in one year, THEN you can start comparing. Otherwise: also, to say that Pettitte, the farthest thing from consistant, is equal to Pedro? I believe the ERA speaks for itself in this case. Thank you, buhbye. Pedro wins no contest. As for your observation of Wakefield, it too is false, as it would be easier (and more accurate) to compare him to Pettitte, all in all. As for Vasquez, you still think there's no chance you won't get him, when all signs are pointing at the fact that if the yanks do try to get him, it will be the hardest earned acquisition of the off season. Even then, I have to agree that he'd do better off than Lowe. As I've said many times before, GOOD LUCK getting Javier. You'll need it.

                                That's about all I've got to say on those matters.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                I guess luck was on the Yankees side today.....

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